What if you found a dead 180+" buck that your dillweed neighbor claims to have shot. The same dillweed that won't let you onto his property... do you give the buck to him? (even tho' you'd just taking his word for it?)
I guess that's just a fundamental difference between us then. I won't step 30 feet or 3 feet onto neighboring property against the wishes of the owner and I would give back a 180" buck to that same jerk, if he said the buck was his. I don't feel an entitlement to trespass and I would take the high road rather than be a retaliatory jerk.
So you would let a deer rot that you shot because it landed 3 feet away from the property line and you would turn over a buck to a doosh that you aren't even sure he shot? Check
I care what my brethren think and hold but not enough to change my thoughts personally. I however could not sit back and listen to people make statements boldly saying those like myself are bs' ing when we say we wouldn't trespass. Save me the soapbox crap...anyone speaking honestly is on a "soapbox" so I guess we can all get down and sit in chairs and sip some beer while we discuss haha
Re-read what you posted and tell me it doesn't have a condescending tone to it...."how I was raised" like everyone else was not raised properly and the "character I desire to have" like those that would choose to NOT let a deer rot for the 10 seconds it would take to pull the deer over the line is a lack of character.... hence the soap box You guys ( well, you 3) DO realize you would be over the line and back in seconds....don't you? I think it is LESS character to let an animal you took legally rot than to spend 10 second 10 yards across the property line of an *** and retrieve the deer....
The deer was never my property, when on my land or the neighbor's ONLY once harvested and recovered from land I own or land I have legal permission to be on and tagged...is the only point I control or "own" the deer. Tony, seriously, I don't feel I'm better than any man/woman/boy/girl ever made or whom is here in this conversation. I have demons just like everyone else and I know mine and wish them upon no one. That said please stop taking my words as condescending. I seriously was raised that way...and I seriously choose to attempt to keep my character that way. You and others are 100% separate human beings than me and have made choices and been raised in a way that cannot be identical to mine...therefore I cannot express whether my way is better or your way I can merely answer honestly. (Furthermore for what it is worth to those questioning if I feel I am better...in my opinion only one Man has walked this earth with the ability to discern whom is "better" and I pray each person reading this thread meets Him same as me someday.)
I feel that the first sin was knowingly putting yourself in the situation by hunting so close to the line unless it's your first time hunting you should know better
1. There is nothing wrong with that 2. Deer run a long way ...alot farther than 10 yards.....do you get your deer, Joe?
Just trying to keep my mind off my Dad's deal until Wednesday... I still love these guys that disagree with me... :D
How can you say that it's not wrong? I have never seen a deer run the opposite direction it came from when it gets shot. I've seen a few bucks i've shot run forward 10-20 yards and then button hook to the left doing a 180 back to where it came from. so from my experiences, yes i do think it's wrong because i know the deer is going to go right back there,(if it came from there) where i cannot legally retrieve it. Believe it or not, i do feel that it is just a deer and I'm not willing to go to jail for a deer. so that being said, if the deer will run this "long way" i would seriously reconsider this hunting spot, or explore my options of altering the property line...example: brush piling or hinge cutting a row of trees along the line making it impossible to get through. Thats what the offseason is for!!
Gonna break my silence to reply to this... Daddy is always daddy no matter what the love of a father is when your a son-- be it love -- hate or a combination there of... I know the love part and experinenced the hate part as a child.. My prayers go out to you.. May your heart always remember the lessons and unconditional love no matter what he has plannned for your dad!
I remember the previous thread on HNI. Me? I don't know. When it comes to most hunting situations, ethics are personal. In the first scenario, the ethics aren't personal. Almost every hunter would answer no to that question. Every hunter whose ethical compass points north would pass that shot, too, but there would more than likely be some who "answered" no who would give in to temptation and take the shot. In my opinion, the second scenario is where the personal ethics come into play. Some consider it down-right unethical to leave a deer that you've killed to spoil for any reason. Others view it as "just a deer" and say that it's down-right unethical to cross the property line because it's against the law. Who is right and who is wrong? I don't know. I do know that there are times when the right thing to do can be viewed as wrong, both by our peers and the law. Personally, I lean toward the group that would cross the line to get my deer because I couldn't stand to just let it lay there and spoil. I might be breaking the law, but in my mind I would be breaking the law for a good reason. Yes, I do believe that there are times when doing the right thing requires breaking a law. If we suddenly found ourselves facing a real gun ban and the government was implementing a gun collection, how many of you would then be willing to break the law because it's the right thing to do?
The last 2 bucks I have shot ran and expired in the direction they were headed. They did not double back. We don't know what a wild animal is going to do. There are too many factors to consider to know for sure. I have no control of where that wounded buck is going to go and how far he's going to make it. We've all seen deer that were hit poorly bed up withing 40 yards and expire and we've seen deer there were hit well make it much farther. I personally consider taking a life a bigger deal that crossing a fence.
