Should the Airbow Be Legal for Archery Season?

By this logic wouldn't you have to refrain from the inclusion of compound bows as the cams "assist" the user with the draw and hold at draw. Just a thought.


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No. I believe a weapon should be classified by how the projectile is propelled, not by what projectile is propelled. There is no "bow" in the "Airbow" and believe the manufacturer/designers have labeled, or named, it incorrectly. Pellets are propelled by compressed air, and they are still called pellet guns. Pellet guns are legal to hunt turkey with in CA during the "gun" season only. Just as someone mentioned above, putting an arrow down the barrel of a .410 shotgun doesn't turn it into a "bow" because the projectile is an arrow.

I see the benefit of people with injuries and such being able to hunt with the Airbow, but only during a general/gun season. It should not be allowed during an archery only season. If I want to gun hunt, my Winchester .270 will do just fine.

 

Maybe you guys would be more open to my new design, I call it the bullet bow. its basically just a single shot rifle mounted on a crossbow stock, but the cool part is the firing pin is attached to the bowstring, so when you pull the trigger, the firing pin slides down the track, hits the primer and sets off the cartridge. I am currently developing a compound and traditional version. for those who enjoy hunting in its purist form.

what do ya'll think?

 

I see what you are trying to say but potential, or stored, energy is something to debate as well. I believe an argument could be made for a compound bow storing potential energy in the limbs when drawn by the shooter the same way it's stored in the limbs of a cross bow. I do understand the force used to retain the potential energy is different but, the potential energy is still stored in the same way; limbs, cables and cams. The potential energy in an air powered weapon is stored completely different. IMO, the Airbow should be compared to other weapons with how the potential energy is stored and classify it accordingly to similar weapons whose potential energy is stored in a tank. Additionally someone could make the argument using a trigger release aid on a compound bow similar to a trigger on a gun or crossbow. I've shot guns my whole life and this is why I like using one.

IMO a weapon should be classified by how, where and what stores the energy to move the projectile, not the projectile it shoots. I don't think anyone would agree a compressed air weapon is a bow. Compound bows and crossbows are much more similar in design compared to this Airbow thing.

 

Sounds like one heck of a Rube Goldberg machine you have planned there! Haha!

 

I guess I'm gonna be the odd one out and say I don't really care. A end or day its going to affect me zero what the guy on the next property is using. I also don't get a chub telling everyone that I'm a real man or whatever because I use a bow. I hunt for me and not to impress anyone, heck my bow isn't even hardly set on 60# despite the fact I have 70# limbs because what's the point. It'll drop anything I'm gonna shoot at.

Have about the same attitude as to what season it belongs in, firearm or bow season don't care. They just changed the laws last year that I can hunt with a bow during shotgun season here with a firearms tag so should I not because a bow doesn't belong in firearm season and any harvest is tagged with a firearms tag?

Idk maybe I should care more but at end of day it doesn't affect me and I'd bet about anything it's not goin to affect anyone else here so why get worked up about it.

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If guns were permitted through the archery season, would it affect you? Probably.. why... noise, effectiveness etc. Bow gun would be about the same and the lethality of it may well be so effective that numbers drop which will affect you.

 

On the farm I hunt no, when go to public land few times out of year, probably. Even so they're not allowing firearms in bow season and this contraption isn't goin to suddenly cause a boom in bowhunting or increase effectiveness anymore than crossbows did. So overall no.

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My only thought is if anything shooting an arrow becomes legal in archery only seasons; eventually the law makers could decide to not have an archery only season because you start loosing the concept of what archery is. Then it will affect everyone in one way or another. Next some one will invent a black powder "bow" or muzzle "bow" and where is the line drawn?

 

Well guess cross that bridge when it gets here. They already have arrows tips that "shoot" a shell of some kind. As far as I know that's not allowed during archery season. It's the same thing with firearms, they're regulated on what you can and can't use. We can't use rifles, don't think anybody can use full auto (not sure on that one) so to think they can't regulate certain weapons from the same category to be allowed in a season or not isn't true. So if someone does come our with some hybrid muzzle loader that shoots arrows then fine ban that, but this isn't that so....


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Going against the grain here. I am voting yes. The reasoning is for people like my dad who has been in a wheelchair for the past 20+ years and is an avid hunter however is unable to "archery" hunt even with the new fancy wind up crossbows due to carpal tunnel in his wrists. Also, with him being quite independent, still living on our farm solo, he wouldn't like to ask someone to come over every time he would like to go "archery" hunting. I am sure he is not the only one.

 

Yea and next let's make a bow that somehow can shoot a 300 win mag and make that legal.


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Only if I can use this bad Larry




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No because its human powered. Regardless if there is a "last inch" of advantage, a bowhunter drawing a peak weight bow of 70 Lbs must pull back those 70 Lbs with only human power before an advantage could be enjoyed. He has to do that in the presence of game in close quarters with the related noise and motion of a draw cycle and then let down should the shot not present itself. This is not true of non-bowhunting weapons like a crossbow or this muzzle loading air powered spear gun. Hence they are now bowhunting tools and their users cannot be bowhunters.

 

There is no energy stored in a human powered bow because its human powered and is not locked or stored by the device. Its human powered. As soon as the human stops apply his effort the bow ceases to function.

Not correct. A human powered, vertical bow does not in any way require the accessory of a release to function. Some may use a release but its an optional accessory only. On a gun or crossbow, its integral and not optional.

A crossbow stores energy by locking the drawn force with a machine/device and can be locked in a stored energy position and set down and the user can walk away but the weapon is still cocked. (the same for this new air powered muzzle loading spear gun) A human powered vertical bow has zero stored energy. As soon as the operator ceases to apply human effort, the device stop functioning and cant be discharged.

 

Here is the next "bowhunting" weapon! Remote control.

 

All I need to do is mount this to a Lone Wolf! FOC=99%

 

When is T-Rex season?

 

Ive read responses in the past from people that take a casual stance saying things like “why does it matter?”, Why should I care what my neighbor hunts with?”, “We are all hunters and should support each other”, It doesn’t impact me if somebody hunts with(insert weapon)”.


This is due to the lack of desire to apply critical thinking (or care beyond ones own hunting parcel) or simple ignorance of unintended consequences.


Season lengths for a given weapon are based on efficacy. This is why bowhunting seasons are long and firearms seasons are short. Weapons types also dictate blaze orange requirements. Allowing the advancement of non-human powered weaponry within human powered weapons seasons will have the result of shortening those seasons because the take/harvest increases prior to the time the gun hunters get a chance at available deer. Another terrible consequence is the creation of “Any weapons” seasons which eliminates bowhunting only seasons by allowing firearms hunting to occur at the same time bowhunting it going on or it spawns the creation of one buck rules and other restriction and prohibitions on the bowhunter.


As weaponry advances to cause the hunter to bring less of his skills and woodsmanship and proficiency to the task it also devalues the harvest to the easiest means possible vs the most challenging means. (reducing the odds in favor of the game animal making killing simple and easy)


If you want shortened bowhunting seasons, any weapons seasons, one buck rules, further prohibitions and regulations on the bowhunter, blaze orange for bowhunters and a devaluation of the animal and the task, then by all means, support any and all ways of killing game for the sake of “ease” and “coolness” of new weapons just so we can make it as effortless and easy to kill game. (re. reducing the challenge, satisfaction, accomplishment of taking game with human powered weapons)


Or support human powered bowhunting to preserve the challenge of bowhunting while also supporting those stored energy weapons season that are separate and distinct and in no way linked to bowhunting. Its not an “elitist” thing. It’s a preservation thing. A bowhunter is a unique individual. He seeks to insert challenge and difficulty to give game animals the best odds of besting us as this increases the reward and satisfaction of putting meat on the table.


Then further help preserve and promote bowhunting by joining your state’s bowhunting org, Pope and Young and the Professional Bowhunters Society. These groups work on your behalf to keep bowhunting alive and well.

 

Can you provide any substance or examples of these things actually happening in the real world? There's plenty of places that have allowed crossbows in general archery seasons, and some places where air "bows" are now legal. Surely one of these horrific things has happened that can serve as an example, no?