Should Crossbows be Allowed During Archery Season?

Without a doubt, every state, municipality, national and international bowhunting org and member of the hunting community recognize the human powered archer using a long bow, recurve and compound bow as a "BOWHUNTER".

this statement is incorrect, there are plenty of people who do not consider people with compound bows bowhunters. Don't believe me? Go spend 10 minutes on any of the trad forums, or do a search on "are compound bow hunters real bowhunters" and you will find a "member of the hunting community" who believes this.

This cannot be said for the crossbower. Hence, logic insists (dare I say DEMANDS) that the crossbower is not a bowhunter. Cannot be universally recognized as a bowhunter and the animals they harvest CANNOT be entered into the very record book that catalogs the accomplishment of bowhunters. The crossbowers even created their own records book to capture the "accomplishments" of the crossbower. Likewise, using said crossbow in certain locations will earn the user a citation, court fees and a fine.

Since we have already established that neither the crossbow or compound are universally held by the hunting community as tools used by real bowhunters, then your argument (for the most part) applies equally to compounds.

I'm just playing devils advocate now, your move

 

They can, right along side handgun and muzzle loader and rifle kills. B&C IS NOT a record book of bowhunting kills. Hence it accepts kills regardless of weapons type including guns and crossbows. If you want a record book of bowhunting kills see P&Y. If you want to see records for the crossbower, look to the crossbowers record book.

 

I am familiar with Pope & Young. Lol. Boone & Crockett is a record book of bowhunting kills along with others.

So yes, if you are bowhunting with a crossbow you can enter it into a record book and the most prestigious record book at that.

 

I finally got back my Mounts back from last years Bow Hunt and Cross Bow Hunt.

 

as long as you dont call the one on the right an archery hunt!

 

Well played. Finally somebody that does not have a stick lodged firmly in their nether regions and can also approach this subject with a basis in humor.

 

If you are bowhunting, you could not be using a crossbow. Bowhunting is a term that only applies to a human powered bow. We covered this in great detail already. I would refer you to prior pages. I'll wait here and get this Wookie to dance while you go back and catch up.

Dance wookie, dance.

 

I would dive into this one but I am still waiting for a response for your other two posts that I have dismantled

 

Crossbows have there place. They are great toold for young, new to hunting adults and older hunters as well hunters that have had an injury preventing them from hunting with any other kind of bow. If a hunter chooses to use one even if they are able to use any other bow who cares?

Most people i have met in my area feel that crossbows are more effective and have a longer range when they really arnt that differnt then a modern compound bow.

I sell hunting fishing and camping equipment for a living and im trained as an archery technician, and from what i have seen they are no more effective as a modern compound and have the same distance limitations as a modern compound.

The states that allow the use of a crossbow have weighed the pros and cons of crossbow hunting. They maxe the decision already so debating back and forth whether they should or should not be allowed as pointless.

For the record i dont use a crossbow my self. I use a 2016 PSE BowMadness 34. I wont use a crossbow till im physically forced to but if some one els wants to i have 0 right to tell them otherwise if its legal in my state and here in michigan it is

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Hello jouros welcome to the forum, too bad this thread had to be your first post, there are some subjects that people get heated up on too much, myself included. But for the most part it's playful banter

 

I cant find them. I looked and find no such posts.

 

I agree 100%. There is a place for crossbowing (or crossbow hunting) Real bowhunting is not for everybody. Crossbowing is the alternative for those that cant bowhunt.

Anecdotal evidence is fine but one needs to look at actual harvest stats (like WI has done) but in the states where they made the mistake of including the crossbower under the authority of the archery license, they don't have the ability to statistically demonstrate the effectiveness of the crossbow. WI data show that not only are crossbowers more efficient and effective killers of deer (per license sold) than bowhunters but they even exceed gun deer hunters. I will take statistical data over anecdotal.

I agree. This is not a debate. Ive not found a suitable counterpoint presented here as of yet that I would consider worthy o debate so Im counting this as continuing education of the folks here and hoping they have the capacity for it to sink in but thus far there has been no debate. Also much of what has been posted has been in good fun. Im finding it very entertaining. (its the off season)

Same here, I will crank down the bow until I reach a point when I will have to quit bowhunting. At that point I can stick with just gun deer hunting or take up crossbowing. I would miss bowhunting but crossbowing is almost like it and by then I would be very very old or disabled so I would not care.[/QUOTE]

 

this whole world took a crap when the " no child left behind " stuff started. better not hurt a persons feelings or your discriminating. everyone has to be included at all levels so someone doesn't get offended or sad. whatever happened to people being tough and strong willed? I feel like I am surrounded by a bunch of wimps that cry over the slightest thing that they are not included in instead of working harder to achieve their goals. everyone wants something for nothing. eventually there won't be any archery season. once the gun hunters cry more that they don't have a chance to hunt the rut. they will start figuring out a way to let them gun hunt in the rut. the crossguns are just the beginning!

 

jouros, welcome aboard. how is there not much difference between a crossgun and a compound? they are a lot different. I've got busted tons of times trying to draw a vertical bow on a deer. lifting a crossgun is way easier especially with the fancy red dot scope. then we can differ on triggers, stock, butt plate, etc. JMO. I don't care what anyone hunts with as long as they recognize they are two totally different weapons.

one question I have for everyone: when hunting with a vertical bow you use a arrow. so they call it "bow and arrow". but a crossgun takes a bolt. why doesn't a crossgun use an arrow? maybe vertical bow guys should now call their arrows bolts? then we can call it " bow and bolt hunting". lol

 

You are a jack ass everybody knows it but you, there I said it and that is all I have to say about it. For gods sake there is legal precedent in other states and you keep repeating the Wisconsin statute, move on many other states accept the crossbow as archery.

 

Like I said, your quiver of original ideas and substance is empty so your posts have been nothing but personal attacks.

 

Participation ribbons and safe spaces have made their way into hunting. People that don't bowhunt are demanding to be called bowhunters. They don't want to engage in the human powered activity, they just want to bear the title of those that do and pose as bowhunters.

Sort of a stolen valor kind of thing. They want terribly bad to be known as bowhunters but they don't want to actually be bowhunters.

 

If you buy a bowhunting license and you adhere to the law, you are bowhunting and you are a bowhunter.

 

If you are using a crossbow under the authority of the licrense you bought in one state , that may only be correct for that specific location and not a universal truth since many states do not include crossbowing under actual bowhunting and the accomplishments of that person using the crossbow would not be recognized by the oldest and largest body that catalogs and records and accomplishments of actual bowhunters (P&Y) as well as being recognized by the Professional Bowhunters Society.

While every state and nation and organizing body recognizes human powered bows and their users as bowhunters at a universal level, that cannot be said for crossbowers. Those folks enjoy spotty usage of the term "bowhunter" but real bowhunters know this was done only for the sake of ease of regulation at a state level.

That is the very heart of the matter. The universally accepted term. For human powered bow and arrow hunters, the universal term accepted by every single authority is "bowhunter"

For crossbow hunters, it not. You are not universally recognized as a bowhunter. You are however universally recognized as a crossbow hunter since that is what you are. Accept that. Own it, embrace what you are rather than trying to pretend to be something you are not. We get that its a very big deal to be known as a bowhunter but you have to actually be a bowhunter to earn that name. You cant use some other weapon and demand to be called a bowhunter.

This reminds of the gender confused folks demanding to be called one thing when they are something else or those posing as military and stolen valor. If one is a crossbower, be a proud crossbower, own it. We are not fooled by you calling yourself something else. All we are going to do is roll our eyes and laugh when you insist you are a bowhunter while you hunt with a crossbow.

Personally, I think the crossbower can and may well be a good guy and a good hunter. He is just not a bowhunter. He knows it so he looks silly and devalues his sport by pretending to be a bowhunter.

 

that is why people in my area call them crossguns not crossbows. one good thing is that in my area the crossgunners are no threat. they are usually lazy and don't go in the woods past the beer can line. and to see one sit all day on stand is unheard of. if I see a crossgunner I immediately avoid them for a short period then they are gone. if I am not around them then I convince myself there is no such thing taking place around me to keep from getting irritated. yes I hunt public ground most of the time.