Should Crossbows be Allowed During Archery Season?

To bring this back on topic, I think when we are allowed to hunt wolves again, we should have a separate Wolf Crossbow hunt for youths, seniors, handicapped and people who cannot shoot a regular bow.

 

But what broadhead will they use?!!!!

 

Since you are from Wisconsin, you will want to know that the wolf take in WI is not weapons specific. It allows for all manner of legal weapon and trapping. Its unique in that regard.

WI has 2 weapons specific seasons (an archery deer season for bowhunters) and a crossbow deer season for the xbower. The remaining seasons are lesser weapons statute seasons meaning that for example, the gun deer season allows the person under the authority of a gun deer license to kill a deer with a Firearm, Muzzleloader, Crossbow or bow and arrow. Small game hunting likewise allows the permit holder to hunt with a .22 cal rifle, shotgun, ML, crossbow and bow and arrow. The archery deer season allows the permit holder to only use a human powered bow and arrow. The crossbow deer season allows the permit holder to only hunt and kill with a xbow.

The WI wolf season is a trapping, bow and arrow, crossbow, ml. shotgun and rifle season.

As for what broadhead, The only logical choice would be slick trick. Any other option would be unethical.

 

Ok instead of just having fun I will be serious for a moment, but a moment only then back to trolling:

Your definition of bowhunting and my definition of bowhunting really have no merit. If we get down to brass tacks, what we really care about is what the states dictate, because their definition allows it or not. What does each state consider bowhunting? Is bowhunting using a recurve, compound, slingbow, longbow, does it matter if it has a saftety, 80% let off, human powered, sights, etc?

Currently 25 states consider crossbows bowhunting 100%. So whether or not it is human powered or not matters 0% in these 25 states. You can consider it whatever you want or call it what you want, but at the end of the day you are just talking. Read the rule books.

I agree with you in some states whether or not the bow is human powered matters, but in the majority it does not it is bowhunting.

https://www.tenpointcrossbows.com/united-states-crossbow-regulations/

If the state of Illinois gives me a drivers license. I am a driver.

If the state of Illinois gives me a license to roof. I am a roofer.

If the state of Illinois gives me a license to bowhunt. I am a bowhunter.


It is very simple. Lol. Nobody cares if I use a hammer, Chevy S-10 or a recurve.

 

Oh, so a crossbow mfgr wants people to consider it bowhunting??

Then they turn out a web page with false data (such as how they have falsely reported WI laws.) I would expect that they likewise are telling falsehoods about other states.

The bowhunting community, P&Y, PBS, state bowhunting orgs and even some crossbowers will tell you real bowhunting and crossbowing are not the same nor interchangeable.

Its the crossbower that desperately wants to pose as a bowhunter (without actually being a bowhunter). you don't see bowhunters pretending to be crossbowers.

And for good reason.

I wanted to be a power lifter. I wanted a world record but I could not do it with my own human power. I then loaded the bar with a world record lift, suspended it by chains from an overhead crane. I walked under the bar, gripped it with both hands above my head and then proclaimed to be not just a power lifter but a world record holder.

Some balked and said the weight was held for me and I did not apply my own human power to accomplish the task. I laughed and proclaimed that I am a power lifter and the fact that I didn't have to go through the motions or hold the weight with my own power should not matter and that others were elitists. Its was a way to get kids and women and the handicapped into power lifting. I told them we needed to get more people into a dying sport and that we should all support one another and stop the infighting.

 

I hoped to participate is crew (rowing) but my own human abilities excluded me. At the next meet, I showed up with a jet ski. The rowers pitched a fit. They said they were participating in a human powered endeavor with an outcome based on their own human strength. I called them elitists and said like their skulling boat has a seat, carries a passenger, floats on the water and is steered by the operator. As such, I demanded to be called a crew member. They said I did not apply human power and motion to propelling my craft. I laughed and said, it doesn’t matter. I wanted to be called the same thing they are called.


I dreamed of participating in cycling like the tour de France. I showed up with a Harley Davidson. I demanded to be allowed to participate equally and be called a cyclist. Like their bikes, mine had two wheels, a seat, handlebars. They complained and said they cover the distance of the course though only human power and the effort and motion of their muscles. I told them they were elitist and exclusionary and that we need to get more people into the sport. The sport is dying. This would be a good way to get kids and the elderly and handicapped into the sport and that they would eventually transition to a bike and either way, we are all on the same team and we should be supporting one another and stop in-fighting with one another.

When I showed up at a golf outing looking to participate equally and be called a golfer with my potato cannon that shoot golf balls, well..............Those guys are elitists.

 

Can you not possibly accept there could possibly be another perspective other than your own?

 

Yes, I learned long ago that when others are wrong that some can become quite invested and despite being shown that they are incorrect, they hold fast rather than accepting their error. Even if you use humor, they protest. It was later explained to me that those folks did not use logic and reason to arrive at their position so no amount of logic and reason can talk them off the ledge they are on. They would rather jump than admit the truth.

That does not reduce my desire to talk them off the ledge and to help the get their minds right. Its the compassionate thing to do. We should strive to be patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it.

Its clear we can expose a person to info that should logically lead them to arrive at a conclusion that is the correct one but for some reason they do not poses the capacity to take it in and accept it. That does not mean we should give up on them. They can be saved. We can bring them to the light. We can offer them salvation. The longer it takes, the better look we get into their capacity for abstract thought and their limited horizons. Its rare we find one so daft that we throw our hands up. Stubborn, sure but its easy to spot the ones that have come around and are only pretending not to come to terms with their errors. In the end its often a pride thing. They are too proud to accept that they are in error.

A mind is a terrible thing.

 

Bow season cannot get here soon enough!

 

Amen brotha.

 

If you buy a license to bowhunt and you adhere to the law you are a bowhunter. It is a very simple concept to follow.

Some people use a crossbow, some use a compound, but if you want a real challenge try a recurve.

 

That will get you in trouble with the law in WI. If you buy an archery deer license and hunt with a crossbow, you will be cited and fined. Hence you are not a bowhunter in WI and several other states where the use of a crossbow for bowhunting is against the law. In WI if you want to hunt with a crossbow you need to buy a crossbow deer hunting license or hunt with your crossbow during the firearms season. In both cases you are only a crossbower or crossbow hunter. If you have a desire to be an actual bowhunter you will want to use a human powered bow and arrow and hunt the archery deer season.

This is a very simple concept to understand. How it escapes some people baffles the mind.

 

Alright man, I've been on your side of the argument but come on, you are being ridiculous and you aren't reading very well.
He clearly said "if you buy a license to bowhunt and you adhere to the law you are a bowhunter. It is a very simple concept to follow."

That whole adhere to the law part is kind of important, If your state considers a crossbow to be a legal weapon to use during the archery season, such as my state, then you are considered a legal bowhunter by that state as long as you operate within the law.

If however you live in WI, or other states that consider crossbows to be seperate from archery equipment and try to use a crossbow during their archery season, when it is clear that it against the law to do so, well then you are not adhering to the law are you? you are therefore not considered a lawful bowhunter by the state. So what is your point?



you are just blindly arguing for arguments sake now.

 

I have finally got somewhere. At least I was able to teach you it is state specific and you are somewhat correct with the other states.

The next time you have this discussion you will need to keep in mind where they live.

 

Rhetorical persuasion is lost. But I will soldier on.

So now it appears some are finally coming to terms with a "universal" Nom de Plume for the hunting archer that transcends every state, municipality, national and international bowhunting org and member of the hunting community.

Without a doubt, every state, municipality, national and international bowhunting org and member of the hunting community recognize the human powered archer using a long bow, recurve and compound bow as a "BOWHUNTER".

This cannot be said for the crossbower. Hence, logic insists (dare I say DEMANDS) that the crossbower is not a bowhunter. Cannot be universally recognized as a bowhunter and the animals they harvest CANNOT be entered into the very record book that catalogs the accomplishment of bowhunters. The crossbowers even created their own records book to capture the "accomplishments" of the crossbower. Likewise, using said crossbow in certain locations will earn the user a citation, court fees and a fine.

A crossbow user is at best, a crossbower or a crossbow hunter. (and in some cases a person desperately clamoring to be called a bowhunter). Why? Why would they demand a descriptor that does not match what they do? What sort of complex drives them? Again, wee se zero bowhunters insisting to be called crossbower (because the two are not universally interchangeable). So even if you live in a state that lumps the crossbower in with real bowhunters, they are not. They remain a crossbower. (Not that there is anything wrong with being a crossbower) its a personal choice. Embrace what you are. You weren't born that way, make made the choice to engage in crossbowing.

Likewise some don't appreciate off season

 

No perspective outside the orbit of a home schooled valedictorian.

 

Once again zero content of substance related to the subject matter but instead, comments on personality. If you don't have the capacity to enter into the conversation, throw stones at those in the discussion from the sidelines.

If you are unarmed in the arena of ideas, try to at least quote somebody that made a valid point of substance so it at least looks as if you have the capacity to engage.

 

Boone & Crockett welcomes bowhunters who hunt with crossbows and it is the biggest record keeper of the hunting community.

I hunt with a compound, but do not feel inferior to a guy with a recurve or superior to a guy with a compound and most states agree with me.

 

B&C is not the records book of bowhunting kills. That would be P&Y. B&C records the kills of shoulder discharged stored energy weapons.

P&Y is without debate the largest record keeper of bowhunting kills.

 

So bowhunters do not put their harvests in Boone & Crockett?