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Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by nickster, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. nickster

    nickster Weekend Warrior

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    Hey all it seems when watching some of the new hunting shows , that some of the shots on camera are less than perfect. Of course all these animals are recovered. Thats T.V. It just seems that there are shoulder shots and off center shots that we have been taught not to take throught the years.
    any thoughts on it ?
     
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    carnivore1 Weekend Warrior

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    I'll agree with you there. Seems like some of the newer videos have more "bad" shots than good. Yet, they always recover the deer. Its all for the production.
     
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    I think there are a few good shows where the hunters seem to take ethical shots and be aware of what they are are doing and then there are a few that i have no idea how they even have a show. i watched last week as a host of a show stalked a mule deer into a small canyon, ranged him at 104 yards and took the shot. it was a clean kill but in my opinion there is a lot of things that can go wrong from 100 yards that can cause an errant shot and wound an animal
     
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    MassBow413 Weekend Warrior

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    Alot of them use rage for huge holes regardless of where they shoot
     
  5. cmonsta

    cmonsta Grizzled Veteran

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    I think our bows today allow for a lot of that also. Now, with stronger bows, if we hit a shoulder for example, we get better penetration then we did 10 years ago. And broadheads are bigger so if we hit back a bit we get better blood to follow and help the animal expire. Personally, I think shows are more truthful now then before. I think that before if they made a bad shot and didn't recover they just didn't air that shot. Now that they are able to recover these less then perfect shots we see them. But that of course is based on 100% opinion and no facts or stats were used to form that opinion.

    I also think that we need to remember there's a lot of pressure on a lot of these guys. With so many hunters filming these days and dreaming of making something out of it, they can be replaced so easy if they don't get the footage needed. 10 years ago not near as many hunters filmed. Cameras were different, the internet was different, heck computers in general were different. Taping and editing hunts was so much harder back then. With more competition and more stress, I think you will see more risks taken. Despite times call for despite measures right? haha. Is it right, maybe not 100%, but hey, they are recovering the game so that is good. we can only hope that the animal went down as fast as they tell us it did.
     
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    Fitz Legendary Woodsman

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    How many failed hunts go un-shown each season? I bet there are many videos of that never see the light of day because the animal was never recovered.
     
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    cmonsta Grizzled Veteran

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    My thoughts exactly brother.
     
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    smctitan Die Hard Bowhunter

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    The technology isn't always about the bows and the broadheads. Often times when they are filming a show, they have advanced video technology as well. They can rewind, fast-forward and use slow-mo to see exactly where the deer was hit and will back out for several hours even overnight if its poor placement.

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    ohiohunter Weekend Warrior

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    I agree you cant tell for sure. However I was watching a show and a guy shot a deer and spent 3 whole days looking for the deer until he found it. Granted it was a trophy, I still think that putting that much time into finding what you shot is admirable and genuine.
     
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    I think a lot of truth is mentioned above. I think in the past, with less competition and shows available, the production could be much more choosy in showing only perfect shots or piecing together the footage.

    Another thought is genuine-ness v demand to watch the train wreck-let's face it, stuff happens and every shot/hunt is NOT necessarily 'picture perfect'.

    Is there a demand for a train-wrecks, is it more genuine or is there pressure to get something/anything out the door? I suspect a combination.
     
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    I am all for hunting shows.. Watch them all the time, and I really respect the hunters that say " OK, I shot that a little far back than I wanted to"......... But what kills me is a show the other night.. I wont say names, but I watched Tiffany shoot a deer in the rear hind quarter angling forward... She said " Ooooooo, I just smoked a big Iowa buck"........... Not once, did she say, that it was far back.. After the shot, she said lets go find my buck... She shot the deer in the morning and the footage of the recovery was in the dark.. I have seen Uncle Ted gut shoot a deer and OWNED IT... I have seen Waddell shoot a deer a little far back and OWNED IT.. Just say it.. Its OK... It happens to all of us....
     
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    shhh... careful lee is watchin you in the upper right hand of your screen!!:eek:
     
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    Hahaha right!
     
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    There is a lot of pressure to get the kill on video. These guys don't always have the patients to wait for the right shot, so they take any shot to get some video and hope the animal dies and they recover it.

    Like has been said, you won't see it if they don't recover it.
     
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    I bet more bad shots are taken by guys just hunting compared to the TV guys...the last thing they want to waste time and money hoping to find purposely wounded animals that they " hope to get lucky and kill and recover"

    I am not a big fan of the professional hunting show crowd but I can't see them being anymore guilty of taking a shot that shouldn't be taken as regular joe hunter alone in the woods.....ok now everyone can rant how they never would take a marginal shot ...
     
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    great comments all. even with it all ,the shows get us pumped up, but true if ya make a not perfect shot , admit it dont bs bowhunting nation.
     
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    I agree with everyone else. A LOT of the shots on shows are AWFUL. I have made some lung and heart shots on deer and had them run hundreds of yards. They make some awful shots and somehow find the deer 80 yards away. Wierd! My friend swears they have someone else track and shoot the deer before they find them. Yeah bad shots will happen, but they should be RARE. What I find strange is: they are hunting ranches; they have people scouting the deer; they know the deer's exact pattern/trails; they setup, the deer strolls in and they make a horrible shot. Says A LOT about the "hunter" to me. But, we keep watching, so they keep doing it.
     
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    What he said ^^^^^^
     
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    I have been watching some hunting shows on tv with my son. Right before the shot I try pause the tv and ask him, "would you shoot?" and he walks up to the tv and shows me where he would shoot if he chose to to shoot, or he will tell me if it were a bad shot. Many times this week he has stood by the tv and just looked at me after some of those guys shoot less than optimal shots. I am not talking slightly quartering shots, I am talking full on quartering and get this, full frontal shots. Unreal.
     
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    Of the few shows that I have watched, many times I think the hunters view of the shot MIGHT be much different than the camera mans angle of view 8' away.
     

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