Senator John McCain

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  1. Germ

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    Thank you sir for your service to our country, while I may not have agreed with you on every topic, you still held your office with dignity and respect for your fellow American's regardless of what political spectrum they fell on.

    You were a great family man and Naval Officer.

    Graduated from Naval Academy 1958, and I did not know this both his Grandfathers where 4 star Admiral's.

    Even after being a prisoner of war for 6 years, you came back and served this country and being a "Maverick" at times and not being a lemming.

    You have my respect sir. I hope(I doubt it) some can stop being a lemming for a day and pay John McCain the respect he deserves.
     
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    Funny how people like Nancy Griffith tweet that the President can not say a word about McCain when she in the past has said hideous things about McCain.
     
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    Germ,

    one of your more common criticisms of President Trump is his womanizing. Yet you claim here that Senator McCain was "a great family man."
    Factcheck.org and I beg to differ:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-first-marriage/

    Hearing there was a previous Mrs. McCain before Cindy McCain. Is this so, and did John cheat on her after the 1st wife was in a bad car accident?

    FULL ANSWER

    We've had several queries about McCain's marriage to and divorce from his first wife, Carol Shepp. McCain has addressed it a number of times. Most recently, on a nationally televised August 16 appearance at the Saddleback Church forum:

    McCain (Aug. 16, 2008): My greatest moral failing – and I have been a very imperfect person – is the failure of my first marriage. It's my greatest moral failure.

    According to his book "Faith of My Fathers," McCain married Shepp, a former Philadelphia model, on July 3, 1965. At the time, Shepp was a divorcée with two young sons. McCain wrote:

    McCain ("Faith of My Fathers," page 171): I had known and admired Carol since Academy days, when she was engaged to one of my classmates. … She was attractive, clever, and kind, and I was instantly attracted to her, and delighted to discover that she was attracted to me.

    A little more than a year after they were married, Shepp gave birth to their daughter, Sidney. In 1967 McCain was deployed to Vietnam, and a year later he was shot down and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was detained at the infamous “Hanoi Hilton" for five-and-a-half years. When he returned to the United States, his wife had not seen him for six years.

    Meanwhile, Shepp had been severely injured in an automobile accident. When McCain returned from Vietnam, both he and Shepp underwent physical therapy simultaneously. Their marriage lasted seven more years. According to a 2007 profile of McCain in the Arizona Republic, "Their marriage began disintegrating," and "McCain has admitted to having extramarital affairs." But the two remained married. Robert Timberg also describes McCain's extramarital affairs in "The Nightingale's Song":

    The Nightingale's Song (pg. 239): The storybook marriage that had survived separation, pain, and prison began to fray. Off-duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John [McCain] started carousing and running around with women. … Asked about them, he admitted to having a series of dalliances during this period.

    Then, in 1979, McCain met a young former cheerleader named Cindy Hensley at a military reception in Hawaii. As he described it later in his 2002 book "Worth Fighting For": "She was lovely, intelligent and charming, 17 years my junior but poised and confident." He added, "I monopolized her attention the entire time, taking care to prevent anyone else from intruding on our conversation. When it came time to leave the party, I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. By the evening's end, I was in love."

    As the Arizona Republic then related it:

    Arizona Republic, March 1, 2007: After a whirlwind courtship, John asked Cindy to marry him. But there were some details to clear out of the way.

    McCain needed a divorce from Carol, his wife of 14 years from whom he was never separated.

    John and Carol formally separated in January 1980. He requested a divorce from Shepp on Feb. 19, 1980, claiming their marital bond was “irretrievably broken.” He then acquired an Arizona marriage certificate on March 6, 1980, and, according to public records obtained by the Los Angeles Times, the divorce was finalized the following month – five weeks before McCain and Hensley's marriage ceremony.

    Bud Day, a lawyer and one of McCain’s fellow prisoners of war, handled McCain's legal affairs. “I thought things were going fairly well, and then it just came apart," the Arizona Republic quoted him as saying. "That happened to quite a few. … I don't fault [Carol], and I don't really fault John, either.”

    Timberg quotes McCain as saying, "I had changed, she had changed. … People who have been apart that much change. … I think she has reason to be bitter." When asked the same question, Shepp responded to Timberg: "The breakup of our marriage was not caused by my accident or Vietnam or any of those things. I don't know that it might not have happened if John had never been gone. I attribute it more to John turning forty and wanting to be twenty-five again than I do to anything else."

    The man served his country, but then served himself. He may have been a good and doting father; but he spent a large part of his life putting his wants/needs over those of others.
     
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    Like I said I hoped those could stop being lemmings, if you can't head to another thread please.
     
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    Wouldn't a lemming be a person who does not want to hear the truth?
     
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    You're right Germ. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Feel free to blindly head over the cliff of posthumous praise for a man who was a self-admitted adulterer and womanizer. Many heroes are very flawed individuals. You can laud him for his uniformed service to our country, but you do not get to claim him to be a "great family man" when he exhibited the very same personality flaws of the man both he and you hate(d) for having the same...reputation.

    Not without rebuttal, anyway.
     
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    My condolences to his family for the loss of a loved one.

    As for me, I couldn't stand him even though I voted for he and Palin (Lets be real, I voted for Palin and against Obammy). I always found it disgraceful the R party allowed the (ahem) guy to stay in the party. I found that a big strike against the R party as a whole to be honest. McCan't was the best Democrat in Washington.
     
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    We could get into the difference, like McCain admits he failed, his x-wife remained friends after the divorce, and the fact he's been married for how long now? 38 years he was married. Guess what people have flaws and make mistakes. McCains's also adopted three-month-old girl needing medical treatment to the U.S. from a Bangladeshi orphanage, they would adopted this child.

    I realize the lemmings have to tow the line I get it, I understand. If you want to compare a man who was married, got separated, started a relationship while married, got divorced and then married again for 38 years to a man that's been married 3 times, cheated on all 3, the last with porn star and playmate(which he had to pay off) have at it. My step Dad is a great man, best man in my wedding, been divorced twice now, my last was my mother, I understand why, I also understand he was/is a great Dad.

    McCain and Trump don't even compare, fact you bring this up, it's sad. If you want to start a thread on how McCain was a fraud, womanizer have at it, I'll stay out of it. It's your opinion and your entitled to it.
     
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    All comparisons aside his spot will be filled with a far more right leaning senator. Say what you will for or against Mr.McCain he was a RINO.
     
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    I'm not so sure...

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-gov-doug-ducey-will-choose-john-mccains-replacement/

    Government "service" is not a birthright; nor passed down through family links like some sort of British title. Governor Ducey neglects this at his peril (come November.) Cindy McCain is about as progressive as it gets and the R veneer is thinner on her than the skin around her lifted eyes.

    The fact that McCain held his state, his party, and the nation hostage rather than not abdicating his Senate seat after the June 1 special election deadline says just as much about him as his "thumbs down/middle finger up" vote on the ACA repeal. Him putting personal enmity towards the President over the country's interests over the past 18 months reveals everything I ever needed to know about him.

    Goodbye Captain McCain, war hero. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.
    Good riddance Senator McCain, slimy swamp rat. Thanks for nothing.
     
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    How does a career politician get $17 million? I know his wife was loaded but his money did not come from her.
     
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    LOL. "I like John McCain. Therefore, you must like him, too. Or else I'll call you names."
     
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    Like? I said respect, so you don't respect those who served and sacrificed? You can't put aside your political difference to respect a man who server for 20+ years? If one can't then they're a lemming.
     
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    Germ I personally do not care for career politicians, that is not service that is pocket lining.
     
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    I respect that.
     
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    "If you don't post a respectful post like I have about a man whom I respect, I'll call you names."
     
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    Prayers to his family and may he rest in peace. Thank you for your service.

    I've paid 0 attention to his personal life and could honestly care less.
     
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    We could go back and nitpick every life. Dig deep enough and what you will find is most humans are just that, humans. Imperfect and full of failures and regrets.

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    Exactly.
     

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