Self defense, sick, funny, sad....? I can't tell, help me out.

I listened to this several times today and for some reason I can't stop laughing, feeling sad, thinking about self defense...all at once...I just do not know what to think of this and it is scaring me. What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0yc

 

He's an idiot.

 

That dumbass is the reason people want to take our guns away.

 

EXACTLY. What a freaking tool.

 

I sure dont mind that 2 scumbags are out of society, but the guy definitely played that wrong...

 

Back hundreds of years ago when we did not have property insurance, would you have thought your property was worth dying or killing over? I don't believe we place as much emphasis on property theft as we once did, thanks to insurance. But back in the day where the difference in life and death could be your horse/wood stove, etc....one might have thought to kill a thief. Just a thought. I just have so many mixed thoughts over this video that I just had to share it. I am honestly confused.

 

Agreed, because, as you state, the loss of property could affect your life in a serious way. But the loss of a vcr, jewelry, xbox, these guys had a small bag of stuff according to the recording, is not going to affect your life like the loss of your only horse, etc. Think about it, what could be taken out of your house, out the window in this case, that may affect your family so badly that there may be physical suffering? To compare today's times with those of 100 years ago is just not valid.

The guy was a dumbass and now we have three dumbasses taken out of circulation.

 

If Joe had just walked out to his front lawn and put a shell into the dirt, I'd be willing to bet that would have done the job he intended. (bad guys leaving)

 

I would do the same for you Josh. I am not saying what the guy did was right, but dog gone, when are we going to draw a line as a society and tell the scumbags of the earth that they lose when they mess with the good folks? I was robbed at knife point as an older child and also had my house broken into while I slept when I was a teenager. I guess property theft/robbery gives me a different feel than some folks. Just a difference of opinion I guess.

Also, my great grandpa was put into the slammer for one night for shooting and killing a guy stealing off his property in Kentucky, many many years ago. One night.

 

Mine still is. Yours? Not so much.....lol.

There are precious few circumstances truly worthy of killing a man over.

 

I do agree with you Jeff that there are very few circumstances under which a man is worthy to be killed. But, we have lost our sense of community in our country. Don't people who live in tight knit communities feel like they are interconnected, like they are almost family? If you lived around say 10-20 other families that you have grown to admire, respect, and defend, wouldn't you consider an invasion on their property akin to an invasion on your property or an attack on your loved one's?

Just some thoughts.

 

Sure I would. But...........does it meet the threshold for taking another man's life (IMO)? No.

 

An invasion of your property is nothing at all like an attack on your loved ones. Two totally different scenarios that merit two totally different responses. If someone threatens my loved ones I will use deadly force without hesitation. If someone is stealing my TV then I will not shoot them in the back as they run away with it.

 

Fair enough Bruce. What if someone breaks in your home and "looks for drugs" like these guys did in my county? I mean, all they are doing is trying to steal your property?

During Thursday’s home invasion, police said two men broke into another home in the 12100 block of Presidio Way, at 12:40 p.m.
The 29-year-old mother told police she heard noises coming from the rear of her home. When she went to the ground floor to investigate, she found two men had kicked in the door and had forced their way inside.
When inside, the two forced her into her bedroom where they made her lie face down on the floor and then demanded drugs. When they didn’t find any, they took a laptop from the home and fled.
Police said they had the wrong house.
The brazen daylight incident happened as the woman’s 3-week-old baby girl, 2-year-old girl and 4-year-old boy napped. The mother was not seriously injured, said Hernandez.
The woman was so shaken she had a difficult time giving police descriptions of her attackers, Hernandez said. She told officers the intruders were black and wore dark clothes.
In October, the victim said his attackers were also black, about 18 to 25 years old, about 5 feet 10 inches tall with medium builds. One of the men was wearing black hooded sweatshirt, a black hat, or do-rag, blue jeans and a black backpack. The second had on a black shirt and blue jeans

 

If me or my family are home when/if someone decides to break in then I (and my dogs) will consider that my family is under threat and will act accordingly. If I pull up with my family in the car and the thieves run out of the house (if the dogs have not incapacitated them LOL) then I will not be shooting at them (if I even had a gun) as they run away. If they are still in the house and incapacitated/trapped then I will call the cops to come and deal with them.

Brett, you can "what if" all you like about different scenarios but I thought we were talking about the dumbass joe horn. He wasn't under threat, as far as he knew his neighbors weren't home, the cops were on their way, yet he goes outside and yells "you're dead" (I can hear that on the audio) and shoots burglars that are running away. He executed them for burglary. I don't know how you can see it any other way.

 

I have a "what if" for you.

Your son is now 17 and he knows that another 17 year old stole his treestand and has it in the garage connected to his house. Your son, in a moment of rash, youthful thinking decides he is going to recover his treestand by breaking into the other kids garage/house and getting his treestand. joe horn is watching this from his house and decides to shoot your son as he exits the garage because this burglary stuff just ain't right. Are you good with that?

 

I agree the guy is an idiot.
First off he was instructed several times to not go outside. To which he replied he would if they seemed to be getting away and he would shoot them as he had a right to defend himself.
If that was his thinking(his safety)---he was safe inside his house.
-He also was instructed as he was going outside NOT to shoot anyone.

Im not sticking up for the burglers in the least bit.

I do think this Joe Horn was just another idiot with a gun who perhaps was just itching for a chance to "defend himself"

 

IMO, there is a big difference between Joe Horn (ie the neighbor) and if someone had been home at that house and shot those two guys when they came in the window.

 

If someone breaks into my home....I'm going to (right or wrong) assume that they're there to do me or my family harm. I don't personally give a flying F what their real intentions are.

I'm gonna shoot to kill.

If someone breaks into YOUR home, I'll call the authorites (and you).

 

I completely agree. If the homeowner of the house had been home/inside when the break in occured I feel the homeowner would be defending themselves and be justified in the shooting.


Law enforcement friends have told me if you are in your house and feel threatened by someone outside DO NOT shoot them. Only shoot them if they have enterd your house. Once they enter by force you are justified to defend yourself.