For as long as anyone knows, slavery has been the norm and legal all around the world at different times, and still is today in many areas. Should we not have fought to remove that, just because it was the social norm? Just because something is considered the norm, does not mean its right.
I am not forcing my beliefs on you, matter of fact I said that you could believe what you wanted and that you had every right to do so. Our society is chock full of laws that favor one group while potentially harming others and a lot of those have no basis in religion. An administration comes in and passes legislation that favors their interest groups but disenfranchises other groups, happens all the time with or without religion. My principles are my own and I admit that but as I said before you and I do agree and that is that we disagree so I guess that does prove God exists because that would appear to be a miracle that we have something in common.
Just because it is the norm does not mean it is wrong either, I could give you plenty of examples of "norms" that benefit society just as you can give me examples that don't.
So I guess if a man puts his penis into a women's vagina as opposed to a mans butt then he has a better chance to go to heaven. That man who chooses to have sex with women can drink in excess, cheat on his wife, drink and drive, lie and cheat, and do all kinds of things but as long as he goes to church and admits he is a sinner, it is all good. And the gay guy could live a perfect life so to speak, yet will be villified because of his decision to move his penis one inch downward on the human anatomy. STUPID.
Is this going in another circle? Are you going to bring up incest next? Again, making laws that hinder others for no other reason other then its what the bible says, is forcing your beliefs on people. And before you say "I didn't vote on it", I mean you as in anyone reading this, who may or may not vote for anything. Your principles can be your own, but that shouldn't effect someone elses right, like marriage. Exactly, which is why I have asked over and over and over, and will again. Without using religion or opinion, why shouldnt 2 people of the same sex be able to marry? There are no reasons other then "god says its bad" or "I think its gross" or "if they get married, whats next" (a statement that again, holds no argument because there are no answers, and whatever comes next will be researched and debated).
What makes you so hostile toward Christians? You grossly generalized and associated those bad behaviors with every Christian. The people which do those things I do not consider Christians but yet in your argument we are all painted by the same brush. There are hypocrites in every church but that does not diminish or tarnish the many good people that are there also. Your example was both gross and vulgar just for the record.
Why don't you without your opinion tell me why 2 people of the same sex should marry. Okay, let me take a stab. "They will have more freedom" - opinion, "They love one another and should be able to marry" - opinion, "We shouldn't tell people that they can or cannot marry" - opinion, "Government shouldn't be in the marriage business" - opinion, "They were born that way" - opinion and last but not least "It is their right" - opinion. It works both ways as I have stated before you got yours and I got mine, we just don't agree. Let's leave it at that.
Cheese and Rice man, you have been given multiple explanations that are not religious based for people opinions. You are the one chasing your tail around in circles about religion. I personally have pointed out my understanding of the constitution and how in my opinion, they are and have been acting outside of their constitutional parameters. But, hey if you want to keep hammering on the bible, be my guest.
Nope, the answer to your question is so easy its not even funny. And involves no opinion or religion. The reason 2 people of the same sex should be able to marry is because there are no reasons they shouldn't be able to marry. It is simply 2 Americans who deserve the same right as you and me.
Virginiashadow its called repentance, going to church doesn't get you to heaven and no if you commit all that nasty junk you just said and go to church it wont get you into heaven. People who do that and go to church and homosexuals are no different. Jesus died for us to case all that sin on him repent from it and choose to live a life without all that. When we repent and I mean completely repent(turn away completely) we are made new. We accept Christ and his teachings and live by them. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 better sums it up. Cmosta do you think its right for a court to force its ruling on us that don't believe its right for gay marriage? You keep saying Christians force our beliefs on people when we simply just say what we believe. I've haven't shoved it down anyones throats or said believe what I believe or die now!! Nope didn't do that, but when we speak up which is our right to speak we are condemned for it. I don't hate anyone nor will I ever hate someone that sins because its not them that's doing it, its the forces behind them that drive them to sin. If you think the bible or Christians or hateful well then I'm sure it wont be long before we are killed off and put in jail for our believes. Then the world will be a better place right?
See now you bring back the circle, I have said many times, if they acted out side of their parameters to pass the law, I am against the way that was handled. And I hope that they have consequences for their actions if so. But, it does not mea they made the wrong ruling, and I would welcome hearing a good reason why 2 people of the same sex should not be able to marry.
Gay rights are not shoved down your throat. Just because gays can marry, does not mean you can not marry a women. Them being able to marry does not effect your rights at all. Them not being able to marry effects their rights. So, its forcing them to have less rights, because of your beliefs. Nope, fact. You let your emotions take over and didn't see his point. Nope, also fact, prove me wrong.
I really don't have too since it is so self evident. You hide everything you say by promoting it as fact when in actuality it is only your opinion. Which means exactly what mine does.
haha no its not. Its fact that gays are humans. Its fact that allowing them to marry will not harm you or others. It is fact that marriage outdates the bible. It is fact that gays can not have kids together, so can not cause birth defects. And the list goes on. Facts support this side of the debate.
Quoting wiki as the framework of the Constitution? You are a special kind of Butt Hurt aren't you. I would have read the last 350 posts but there is only so much ignorance a man can take.
