cmonsta, First, science does prove the things in the Bible are true; proven that the earth at some point was covered by water (fish fossils found on highest peaks in the world) Noah and flood. Science proved that Eden existed near Ancient Babylon. Science proved that Roman manuscripts show same events happened that are in Old Testament, Old Testament says Israelite’s were slaves to Rome, it’s also in Roman manuscripts. Science found where Sodom and Gomorrah actually existed and said those cities were destroyed. Science proves that David was the King of the Israelites, along with many others from the Old Testament. Heck, the Old Testament may even talk about dinosaurs (Behemoth and Leviathan, check Job 40 and 41). Second, if you want to believe that you came from nothing (Big Bang Theory) notice the name has the word Theory in it and evolved from monkeys, you can do so. Remember scientists are always figuring out that they miss age fossils and other things by millions and billions of years. Third, it’s not only that I want to believe in God, I have faith (the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen-Hebrews 11:1-3) that there is a God. Surely, you have some kind of faith in you, I don’t think you witnessed the Big Bang! Finally, let’s say I’m wrong about God and you’re right, well I will rot in a hole. Now, if I’m right I get to go to Heaven (Lord willing) and you’re wrong, well that is eternity in hell. I’ll take my chances with God!!! I hope the latter isn’t the case for you. I am by no means a perfect person and never claimed to be, but I do try to live a good Christian moral life. Christians have a belief that homosexuality is wrong (1 Corinthians 6:9) no need to be mad about it, you believe it’s OK to be a homosexual, I don’t agree but, I’m not mad and still love them. I did my part by bringing you some evidence with some scripture back-up as commanded (Mark 16:14-20 The Great Commission). I’m not mad in any way, as a matter of fact I hope you the best, God Bless!
If two men or women want to get married I don't care it doesn't affect me, and if it doesn't affect me why should I care? They can be happy and live their life while I'm happy and living mine. Just my opinion.
Uhhhhhh....I think sticking things into your out door is unhealthy and cruel, but who am I to judge? Oh wait....physiology.
That's seriously the best argument you can come up with? In case my daughter marries a gay guy? Good work. How does my religion affect others with different beliefs? If they are the minority, their's is affecting me... right? Right. Nobody said that two people that love each other shouldn't be happy. They should be able to do the EXACT same things that straight couples do in their own homes, in privacy without making me see it, my children see it, etc. I don't give a damn what you do, don't project rainbows on the whitehouse... is it that difficult?
While I agree, there is a difference between accepting this behavior and celebrating it. You can still unconditionally love your neighbor and not condone their behavior.
Is it that difficult for you to understand this is America? Freedom of choice, freedom of expression...less government interference. So gay couples should not be able to show public affection? Only straight couples? That being said, seeing two men kiss does make me feel uncomfortable, but that is how I was raised and it still affects me today. However, they have every right to physically express themselves like everyone else.
So after a long read, I come up with once again someone can not come up with a good reason against same sex marriage without using religion. I wont ever doubt again, that some things in the book can be true. Of course they had history lessons back then as well, so was very easy for them to write history into the book, then make educated guesses as to how something happened, some times even get it right. Does not prove its the words of some invisible unknown man(god). Some people apparently do not find that cruel obviously, and its only unhealthy to themselves. If they want to take those risks, it doesn't effect you, me, or their potential kids. Its like smoking (obviously way different act), actually its less harmful then smoking, cant get second hand gay. So your best argument is you don't want to see it, so they should do it in their own homes? A close friend of mine who is gay man, married a women and had 3 kids. When he finally could not hold it in any longer, he divorced the women. It crushed her, she killed herself 3 years after. His kids have not spoke to him since the divorce. So if you want your daughter to take that risk because you don't want to see it, Im sad for you and your family. Again my friends, I am not mad at any of you. But your argument is horrible. At least debating with anti gun people they have stats. They have an argument. They have proof. They are mostly misled and they like to hide the important stats, but at least they have something. All this debate has to oppose is religion We can have another thread if you want on religion, but same sex marriage has nothing to do with your religion. Its ok to not believe its right, to believe its a sin. But its not ok to withhold rights from other humans because some unproved "god" claims he doesn't like it. And I can not stress enough, this is why republicans will keep losing voters. When they dwell on something as dumb and unimportant as this, something that does not effect them, they will continue to chase off potential voters. We will be ruled by Obamas and Clintons because no one wants to hear people continue to force their religion and made up book on the rest of the country. Take religion out of your voting, since there is no proven facts that god does not like gays, and give a good reason against it. And because you cant, democrats will continue to laugh their way to the white house while we sit back and are forced to hand them our guns while we blame gays for our problems.
Who said Christians don't count the Old Testament? Christians don't follow the Old Testament (Mosaic Law), Christians follow the New Testament Law (New Covenant), this went into effect when Jesus died on the cross for our sins. It was mentioned about marrige being started in 1790, actually first recorded, marriage contracts were first recorded in the Late Period (661-332 B.C. Old Testament time), straight from the British SCIENCE Museum, Genesis was written between 1450-1410 B.C. The Bible has 66 books 39 Old Testament, 27 New Testament, 40 Authors (some of these authors are found in Egyptian and Roman manuscripts), most sold book in history, all with same message. No mistakes! Just for the record.
There is proof God doesn't approve of Homosexuality (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. I use the Bible as facts, you try to use science which changes daily, haven't noticed the Bible change since written. Homosexuals can get married if they want, they have to suffer the consequences on judgement day. I don't hate them, but don't like the act and don't want to be forced to provide a service to them if I believe what they do is morally wrong. This may cause Christians to lose business but we are taught in (2 Timothy 3:1-17) and (1 Peter 4:12-19) we will suffer as Christians. Good day my friends and God Bless!
But that book is not facts. Prove god is real. If you cant do that, you cant prove he created heaven and earth, that he fathered Jesus, that he is against same sex relationships, or anything else the book says god did or likes. If it was a fact that god was real and the bible is all fact, way more then 32% of the world would follow him. And again, this debate has nothing to do with religion, since it can not be proven real. Its about should 2 adult, consenting, right minded, good standing US citizens be able to marry.
Funniest line of this thread, although that's a strongly debatable statement. Children raised in gay households are much more likely to self identify as LGBT. As many as 30% of San Francisco's public high school students identify as LGBT.
This started by people saying the "religious" people were complaining, and saying what Christians do or don't believe, I just clarified some facts and I will defend my Christian belief until I'm dead. By the way 84% of the world believes in some kind of religion, 32% of that is made up of Christians and I would bet that the majority of them believe homosexuality is wrong. By the way prove God is not real and you can't use science and opinion, just like the restrictions you put on us Christians earlier in the thread. Thanks, Have a Blessed day!
Haha prove it without science or opinion? How is that possible? You can use science to prove hes real, no science was never something I called for. Science can way better explain and has evidence and facts to support, the big bag theory then religion. And again, its facts and evidence, not "some talking tree told me" or "she said she was a virgin". And again, some things in he bible can be proven, some are true stories or fact, or biased on enough fact anyway. But god cant be proven, so his "word" cant be, so we cant use that against gay rights.
How did I know that this thread was going to turn into another God exists vs God doesn't exist debate. Regardless of which side you're on, just stop. Stay on topic or take it to PM.
