Again...there would be hell to pay if anyone did this to either of my kids growing up... I dont need or want the schools to discipline my kids...what I do want is them telling me if my child has misbehaved... it's my responsibility to handle it... And yes... I know...not all parents feel the same way.
You really don't have a choice in the matter if your child misbehaves at school. They have the right to discipline them. Your other option would be out of school suspension and those usually carry zero's on all work that is assigned during that time. They have to have a way to maintain order in the school system, or there would be chaos.
I disagree with you...they dont have a right to force their form of discipline on my child, just because they say they have a right to... but then again I was never one for public schools...
I don't, nor do I plan to spank my child at home, so no, I would not want a teacher to spank my child at school. I would hope a teacher would have a bit more discipline when it comes to such things.
I don't spank my daughter either, but given the choice I would rather her take a swat from the principal than to spend 3 days isolated and not receiving the instructions that she needs.
Nobody has the right to spank a child without the parents permission. There are countless options of discipline for schools. One thing about discipline especially spanking is it needs to be consistent and when you are dealing with schools with 30, 40 and more teachers that will never happen which is why teachers should not be issuing punishment.
I never said a teacher should be allowed to spank a child, in fact I specifically said that it needs to be an administrator. Someone that is not emotionally involved in the situation. Also, the comment you are quoting was in reference to Wiscohunter saying that he wouldn't allow the school to discipline his child by the in-school suspension method.
Depending on the severity of the action, it may be. Most schools have a guideline set up in their handbook that outlines the punishment for different offenses. We as a society have gotten so sensitive to things that we totally over react to just about everything. When we were kids, and we got into a fight at school, they called our parents, gave us swats and sent us back to class. Usually we were back to playing with each other in a couple days. Now, a couple kids get into a fight, the police are called, charges are filed, kids are suspended or expelled and now everyone things there "bad kids" and they have to carry that weight with them. Sometimes kids just need to get it out of their system, it's going to happen but the reaction to it can be controlled.
And to the original poster, I'm not in favor of spanking a kid without contacting the parents first, and definitely opposed to the teacher being the one doing the spanking.
Spanking if applied needs to be immediate for it to be effective, unless the administrator is there right way, than spanking shouldn't be an option, which is the problem with spanking in school.
This was my whole issue with it. The last thing I want is for him to be terrified of his teacher. An it only takes a moment to call my wife or myself.
Their kids, 5 years old and older, their not dogs. They know what they are being punished for. Typical situation is being sent to the principals office for the behavior, the principal talks with the teacher, the principal talks with the students involved, calls the parents to inform them, then he administers the punishment.
Really doesn't matter the age. And as you state, they know what they are being punished for, so at that point spanking has no more benefit than any other form of punishment. Spanking shouldn't be a punishment, spanking should be an attention getter.
I totally agree with you. In this instance I would be upset for sure because you can be sure the teacher was emotionally involved in the situation and more than likely could have have taken her anger out on the children. That's not acceptable behavior for a teacher. We are dealing with a similar situation. My nephew is 11 years old and in 6th grade. He has Downs Syndrome, but is included in most of the normal class. We are lucky and thankful that he is extremely high functioning for a child with Downs, but that also presents other challenged. He was spanked by a teacher a couple days ago and has been in in-school suspension at least twice since school started. If I were his guardian, that teach would be on the hot seat for spanking him without my permission or knowledge. That school has lots of issues and have no idea how to handle special needs kids. He has a para professional that is supposed to be with him 100% of the time, yet he continues to get into trouble. I have no idea how that's even possible if he is being baby sat 100% of the time, but l just thank god it's not my child because there would be hell to pay at that school.
I'm not talking about spanking, I'm talking about swats. It was a formal means of punishment that worked for many, many years.
The switch Adrian Peterson used was a formal means of punishment that worked also. Doesn't make it right. There is times and places for a swat, and that is to get a childs attention so you can tell them what they are doing is wrong or dangerous. It should not be punishment.
The person giving out the punishment needs to be in control of their emotions, Adrian Peterson was not. I would have no real issue with him using a switch as a means of punishment had he been able to control his emotions and not abuse the child.
None of us really know his emotions. But that is a different story. IMO spanking is a tool in applying discipline which is different than punishment. Punishment is losing allowance, being grounded, no TV or Internet, bed without a snack not being spanked. discipline - child is doing something they shouldn't, swat on the butt or hand followed with telling them what they were doing wrong and why. Punishment - child is doing something wrong, grab them and than tell them what they are doing wrong and why followed by spanking. First example I say is OK, second I don't.
Your example sound like examples to be used with toddlers, trying to shock them into knowing they are misbehaving. By the time kids have reached kindergarten, their cognitive skills have developed to a point where they understand punishment and consequences to their actions and can relate one to the other.
