I will believe you on this Todd. I have a buddy who is a chemist and a couple years ago he mentioned that the only type of technology would work for scent elimination is similar to what the ozonic's do....
The ozonics looks like a great product to clean/deodorize clothes, and equipment. no if we could keep the human body from making body odor as well as a breath they could be on to something.... are bodys are casting out a plume of scent molecules and are breath may be worse. For me i have been getting dressed in the field and spraying my body and every layer of clothes as i dress,and re-apply in the tree during the hunt,i have also spray my face area alot with my mask on.and i still get busted but it don't keep me from trying to being scent free. I think this stuff maybe whats making my hair fall out?
I remember the demo two years ago at the Indy ATA show. They had socks that had skunk or garlic that were foul. The Ozonics machine took the odor out in a matter of minutes. I would love to try one out, just not sure I can justify it until the prices come down on them
I have not been a proponent of "scent eliminating" clothing for quite a few years. Why? Because I own some and have had no better results with it than without it. The same with the sprays and soaps as well. I've used them and at times see things that make me think they are "working". Yet the next time I get busted in a matter of milliseconds. The same when I don't use anything. Sometimes I have deer downwind and go undetected, other times not. I learned through trial and error, an open mind, and my own personal observations that use of all of these products is an exercise in futility when trying to outsmart a deer's nose. Having said that, I got no problem with those that want to do all the soaps, sprays, clothing and gum. I can't disagree when some of you argue there is no down side except a little extra money and a little extra preparation time. If you are willing to do so and it makes you feel more confident, more power to you. But when I read the posts that state the "SL" or similar product is only a "part" of a "total" system, I chuckle because it reminds me of a story of when I was a teenager working for a local rancher. We got Distemper ( a highly contagious bacteria borne disease that affects horses) in a horse. Since it is higlhly contagious and the bacteria is soil borne, it is hard to get rid of once you get it without removing all horses from the premises for well over six weeks and apply lime to the ground and sanitize all the premises as best as one can. But there are many old "horse" people that believe that goats will keep distemper out of horses, even though there is no science or studies to validate this claim. So my boss buys two goats to keep distemper out of the horses, even though myself and several others riduculed him at the time. Sure enough, a couple of months later, another horse comes up with Distemper and we couldn't wait to remind him how stupid the goat idea was. His response," It is obvious I didn't buy enough goats" so he bought more rather than getting rid of the ones he had already bought. Yet the distemper continued. Yet, not all of the horses got it, so he gave the goats the credit. That is how I see all of these scent reduction/elimination regiments that some hunters follow. Even when presented with specific events that dispute their effectiveness and many times experiencing them first hand, there are some hunters who simply take on the same attitude that they just "didn't buy enough goats" so they by more rather than less. But hey I am all for free enterprise and capitalism, so again do whatever makes you feel good.
i do use scent lok clothing, the following is my personal opinion about this whole circus. you still must hunt the wind and keep deer out of your scent stream. what i believe these scent control products do, is make you seem farther away (less of a threat), when deer are in your scent stream. this is taking in to account that you do all your scent control to a T. i truly believe that you can appear to be on the "next 40 acre tract" rather than directly within killing distance of a mature deer, when everything is done right. just my opinion through experiences. also, a final note on scent control. i often read articles regarding the steps in scent control-and how every step helps EVEN IF you don't go through the whole 9 yards. if you are hunting mature bucks, there are no half-ways or skipping of steps, you either do it or don't, no corners to cut period.
Do molecules emitting from your mouth allow a buck to pinpoint your location? I would harbor to say that if a mature buck or doe came downwind of you, that they would know you were there if you were letting off any amount of scent molecules. A lot of time people think they are beating the wind because of scent lok because their scent is actually floating over the deer due to thermals, even when they appear to be downwind. It is not due to scent lok.
I knew it from when this crap first hit the market that it wouldn't work as advertized...not even close. I remember the old days on "the other site" when there were heated debates on scent lock...I wonder if those believers still believe? I still can't understand how this had to go as far as Federal Court to prove what I felt a little common sense should have been able to tell. A few quotes from the decision: "The Court further found that the experts agreed that the Scent Lok clothing “cannot eliminate odor, even when new.” "In addition, the Court found claims that the Scent Lok clothing could be “reactivated” to “like new” or “pristine” condition to be false as a matter of law." Verbal "slap downs" from the high court. It's sad because these companies "stole" millions of dollars from everyday hard working and hunting folks thinking they were scent free tramping through the woods....truly sad, but as P.T. Barnum once said......
There's a big difference between saying it doesn't work at all and it doesn't eliminate 100% of your scent. The court ruling simply said that - it can't eliminate all of your odor. However, the court ruling pertaining to ScentBlocker in particular did confirm that activated carbon clothing does REDUCE your scent. At the end of the day that's all any of us are trying to do with showers, sprays, clothing etc. You can't ever get rid of it completely but if you can reduce it and help minimize scent's effects on your hunt then you're ahead of where you started.
The way I look at It they either smell you or they don't regardless of how strong or light the odor Is. In my opinion they'll react the same. This has been my experiences with It anyway back when I used the stuff 10 years or so ago.
I respectfully disagree. Deer are constantly processing danger via concentrations of scent molecules that pass through their nose, if they didnt everytime dicern varying amounts of scent concentrations, everytime they got "hint" of a predator they would jump out of their skin and blow out of an area. This is just the opposite. Deer can differenciate between varying levels of dangerous stimuli and react accordingly. Example, a wolves scent thats been laid down 10 hours earlier vs a wolf scent molecules that were deposted 10 minutes earlier on the same deer trail a deer happens to pass down.. which will contain more scent molecules, obviously the higher concentration of offensive odor will come from 10 minute pass through by the wolf, this will inturn trigger a different reaction, that deer knows that wolf is close and must flee, versus the weaker scent that was laid down 10 hours before. Prey animals have to be able to differenciate or they would be like pin balls bouncing around the forests constantly freaked out from any whiff of negative stimuli. Bottom line for me personally, and I respect everyones opinions on whether or not to implement carbon clothing... is that anything that I can do to lower the concentration of my human odor I am going to use as long as its within reason. Showering, spraying down, keeping my clothing clean and for me using carbon or anit-microbial undergarmets, especailly when I am in a fixed position and can not manipulate my position with the switching of the wind. I am a scent minimizing junkie when it comes to whitetails, both immediate and residual scent are always hvy on my mind. I believed I have been forced to find ways due to fickle mountian winds and thermals.. anyway.. is it a cure all? heck no, but it can't hurt when a guy knocks down his odor. This will always be a life long arguement. In the end if we could get perfect winds to hunt non of us would care about any of these products, some still don't because they hunt more consistent predictable winds, which I think is great and I have experiences in flatter ground and I LOVED IT!, but that just isnt always the case, especially in hilly and mountainous country. I am looking at this oxonics technology too, after hearing Todd speak so highly about it, I would like to put it to the test with everything else I do to try and keep my scent down..
Shed, for some reason I just cannot bring myself to even consider an ozonics machine. I mean come on, we are hunting on planet earth, not in the year 2345 on the Moon. The day I use an ozonics machine in the woods is the day I probably quit hunting....look at this product review from the bass pro shop online: Utilizes advanced O3 Ozone Technology Sends concentrated ozone downwind to eliminate human scent Achieves near-100% odor removal from a ground blind(come on) Achieves near-70% from a treestand(using a machine in a treestand to mask odor--come on, we are humans not robots) Compact design Ultra-quiet fan Silent-touch switches ''Boost'' mode that provides 50% greater ozone output for treestand hunting On-demand battery indicator featuring four LEDs for easy monitoring Includes rechargeable battery Includes tree/blind mount
I agree with Shadow...the day I feel the need to drag one of these high tech ozonic contraptions with me into a tree is the day I might as well hang it up and quit hunting...I actually get some enjoyment in trying to fool a deer's nose the old fashioned way...knowing which way the wind is going...I don't use scentlock or scentblocker anymore either after previously trying it for quite a few years...the three biggest bucks on my wall were taken while not wearing one of them suites so I don't see the need in buying another...to each their own though...could'nt care less if others feel more confident when using scentlok
