So shouldn't they have the right to hunt too if its a basic way to survive? If its their food source?
You know that plenty of conservatives shop at markets and support the economy by supporting businesses that produce food? Not everyone who buys food at markets is "idiot liberals" or "brainwashed". They just choose to consume food differently than you choose to consume food.
If you think I'm saying the things that I'm saying because I'm a "libtard" or an "idiot liberal" then you're mistaken. I lean strongly to the right on most issues, including your privilege to hunt if you follow the correct laws set in place for you. I just hate to see people attack other people for something that they choose to do differently, like buying food from a grocery store.
I wish you were right; but you're not. I'm "Hundred percent" sure that illegals are allowed to hunt in IL; and elsewhere. Citizenship or lawful permanent residency are not required to purchase a hunting license. That's a fact. No pro shop or sporting goods clerk is going to ask for a passport and valid visa from someone whom they suspect may be illegal to buy a hunting license. In fact, I see people who I believe are illegally present in the US all the time at my local pro shops, buying all the gear they want for the upcoming season. I've even run into a few in the woods who I am reasonably certain are not legal residents or visitors of the US. I believe in the right to hunt, just like I believe in the right to bear arms and the right to vote...for citizens. My comparison (which somehow went over your head) was that although hunting IS and has been codified in multiple state constitutions as a right that it is a highly regulated one; even MORE SO than the right to vote. Has anyone else thought of how absurd it is that most states require hunters' ed certification to shoot a squirrel; but any idiot smart enough to walk into the nearest poll station and pull the lever for anyone whom they are told/paid can do so without even the slightest idea of what they're doing?
I believe it is a privilege to spend the day in nature and if the day plans out right take an animal. We must remember what we harvest from the land we must either replace it (Sow) or let nature replace it in time. It is a legal right to hunt, provided you have permits etc, but it is a privilage from nature. The only reason I support permits, is it stops greedy ***holes from just killing anything that walks. It makes sure there will be enough for our children to also hunt.
Interesting logic. I suppose a person who grows their own vegetables could call you an idiot for wasting money buying them at a grocery store? I eat my share of venison and fish but I'll be damned if I'm going to take crap from you or anyone else for also buying some other meats from a store.
If every citizen had the right to hunt all game anytime they wish there would not be any game left---we have a constitution which we ele ct representatives to create laws to keep a civil society, Our elected officials have decided to make hunting a privilege so as to hold the animals in public trust to save them from decimation for the good of all-----Privilege !
I guess more than anything, it is a right to hunt (or sustain yourself) and a privilege to have a hunting permit...?
How about this...The native Inuit in Alaska have the right to hunt. They do not need permission. A resident of the state needs permission to hunt and therefore has the privilege to hunt.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Hunting makes me happy! So if you go by this (which why wouldn't you?) it is most definitely your right! You only follow the rules so that everyone has the opportunity to engage in their rights. That being said if hunting somehow became illegal... I would do it anyway.
You don't need to buy anything in order to vote, that was ruled on by the supreme court, you cannot be denied the right to vote unless you do something to disqualify yourself. If you have NO money, you can still legally vote, if you have no money, you cannot legally hunt. If I decided I want to hunt bear, I won't get a license because I don't have the points. If it was a right, I would be able to.
The federal judiciary has held in a multitude of cases that all "rights" are subject to "reasonable" regulation...what is "reasonable" varies state to state (federalism.) Just because it's regulated doesn't mean it's not a right (altough there is a tipping point.) I would like to see if someone who could prove their indigence (not indigenous) could receive no-cost hunting licenses. Would be an interesting case.
Yet most liberals I know can have a civil conversation, form complete sentences, and refrain from name calling.
No cost as in "free-zero dollars" or so minimal you spend more buying a value meal at any fast food joint? Tribal members of most reservations go for near free (out west anyway).
