Well? What's the general concensus here? Does he go to far? Should he be banned? Is this a man's sport with no place for crybabies? Is Martin in the right? Is he a wimp? From what I've read...Incognito is your typical d - bag tough guy NFL player...and I thought that was normal?
All of the teammates seem to be siding with Incognito on this, so I don't know. I'm sure he is a giant toolbag, but it seems Martin might have been a bit "high and mighty", such he made an easy target. I get the feeling not many people liked Martin. Incognito seemed to be "one of the guys". I doubt Incognito is a guilty as he is being portrayed. And I doubt Martin is as innocent as he is being portrayed. Like most times, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I heard someone on ESPN or NFL network say Martins problem stems from his college days, where his school atmosphere was pretty plush, and the NFL is to "harsh" for him. I thought football players were tough?
Tons more to this story than we are getting. Sounds like a memory of something tucked away for a rainy day. "Vengeance is a meal best served cold."
Everyone in St Louis, players included, was elated when Incognito was no longer a Ram. The guy is a total ****weed.
Wait, did someone just agree with Hooker? I'm on the fence with this. On one hand, if he was making racist remarks, it's pretty F-ed up. On the other hand... Well, to paraphrase Tom Hanks, "There's no crying in FOOTBALL!" Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk
I'm so freaking sick of this BS story. A tough guy bully in a NFL locker room picking on the little 300lb. kid so he picked up his toys and ran away. Really>?? This has to be on all day everyday?
Incognito is definitely a ******, but I blame Martin for allowing himself to be "bullied". I think the dolphins are correct to take action against Incognito, but I don't believe the NFL should ban him or come down on him to harshly. Martin is setting himself up to look like the crybaby/trouble starter that no team will want as well.
Issues... there are definitely issues. Why can't they just talk about Saban going to Texas? ... that interests me.
Last year my buddies were picking on me pretty good because this monster 11 pointer kept messing with me and I couldn't close the deal. Had him on film a bunch of times from stand. The dude would skirt me every way possible no matter how I set up on him. They were saying mean things and laughing. I was in such distraught and anguish. I had to put my bow in the case for the rest of the season and go home. I couldn't be around them anymore. I was an emotional wreck.
Here is my take. Martin started having a mental breakdown and instead of just admitting it and dealing with it, he felt the need to blame someone on his mental breakdown. He blamed Incognito. Yeah, Incognito said some weird stuff, but anyone who has been in a tight brotherhood with others realizes that grown men make some funny/crazy/off the wall comments to one another all the time.
Watched the interview on Fox this morning. That definitely shed a little more light on it for me. SCFox
Texts between Incognito and Martin surfaced....Martin is such a wuss and should be ashamed. With the Ted Wells report expected to be released later this week, someone finally has leaked to the media the text messages exchanged over a period of months between Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito. Presumably, the leak came from Incognito or someone close to him, because the text messages tend to support the notion that Incognito and Martin were friends. Moreover, nothing in the Incognito text messages suggests harassment or bullying of Incognito. The Big Lead had gotten the goods, and I’ve taken a look through them all. The major takeaways appear below: 1. Incognito accuses Martin of being gay in multiple text messages. It’s difficult to tell whether Incognito is joking, or whether he believed Martin to be gay. Martin’s actual or perceived sexuality has been a lingering (but largely unspoken) explanation for the decision of Dolphins players to allegedly single him out. After reading all of the message, it appears Incognito is joking about Martin being gay. 2. Martin declines to pay $6,000 for a trip to Las Vegas, but Incognito seems to be fine with it. “It’s all good,” Incognito says. “Let me know if u need anything.” 3. At the time left tackle Jake Long chose to sign with the Rams over the Dolphins, Incognito texted that former G.M. Jeff Ireland “didn’t make him feel welcome.” (That’s unrelated to the Martin-Incognito case, but it helps explain why Long took a lesser deal to go to St. Louis.) 4. At one point, Incognito asks Martin if Martin went to Mike Pouncey’s house after going to a bar. Martin says he didn’t, saying “No drugs for me rest of season.” That comment could attract the NFL’s attention on the question of whether multiple members of the team had engaged in illegal use of drugs, recreational or otherwise. 5. The messages reflect a genuine friendship, even after Martin left the team in late October. Incognito repeatedly reached out to Martin following his exit, culminating with this message on October 29, the day after Martin exited the locker room: “What’s up dude Glad to hear Ur ok I’m here if you ever need to talk. I’ve been through enough sh-t myself to understand.” Several hours later, Incognito texts, “I miss Ur stinky armpits.” On November 1 (three days later), Incognito texts, “How u doing buddy? Feeling better?? I miss us.” Martin promptly responds, saying: “Wassup man? The worlds gone crazy lol I’m good tho congrats on the win.” Says Incognito in response, two minutes later: “Thanks dude It’s unbelievable all the attention this is getting. All that’s important is that you feel better and know we miss u dude.” Says Martin, that same minute: “Yeah I’m good man. It’s insane bro but just know I don’t blame you guys at all it’s just the culture around football and the locker room got to me a little. Btw… Never check yourself into a mental hospital.” Incognito responds two minutes later, acknowledging that he once indeed checked himself in to a mental-health facility: “I hear ya It’s a lot to take in I’ve checked myself in before I had to threaten to beat everyone up for them to let me out. Not fun.” The back-and-forth continues a bit longer. Several hours later, Incognito sends to Martin a link to the ESPN story that places blame on Incognito for Martin’s situation. “What’s up with this?” Incognito asks. “I got nothing to do with it man I haven’t said anything to anyone,” Martin says. The last three messages come from Incognito, with no response from Martin. Incognito says, “I heard it’s all coming from Ur agent? I need you buddy I’m getting killed in the media. Bro can we talk? The dolphins are talking about releasing me.” That’s the end of the text messages. Martin, possibly acting on advice from an agent or his lawyer, cut off all communication with Incognito. Based on the picture painted by the text messages, however, it may have been too late, if the goal was to suggest that Incognito subjected Martin to repeated behavior that Incognito knew or should have known was unwelcome. In other words, it’s going to be very hard to persuade anyone that Incognito behaved inappropriately, based on the text message. Richie was simply being Richie, and Martin voluntarily interacted with him over an extended period of time before suddenly walking away from the team — with no warning in the text messages that Martin was about to snap. Bottom line? Whatever Martin hopes to prove, the text messages don’t help.
I think it's pretty much believed that Martin is a wus and Incognito is a ****. I think Richie will be playing somewhere next year. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
