A dirty bomb is not a tool that would allow me to protect myself. It is only designed for mass destruction, so no I don't believe WMD's are the same category as full auto machine guns, Semi auto guns, revolvers, knives or baseball bats. But Timothy McVeigh made his own bomb out of a rental truck and fertilizer, so I don't think that bombs being "illegal" stops people from using them. The middle East is attacked by bombers daily and I'm pretty sure it's not legal there either. My point is, that making something illegal doesn't mean bad people won't use it. An RPG? Sure, I could own one. Why not? But I don't think RPG's should be allowed for Deer Hunting though. Too loud, they would spook other deer in the area away from hunters.
I'm of a different school apparently. I don't just think 2A allows us to protect our homes from burglars, hobby/sport or hunting. It does all of that but 2A was put in place to protect us from our own government if it ever got to a point where ..... well, about where it is now. If Dear Leader's personal army and police force can void the constitution and come at me with an RPG, you're by God right I want one to shoot back with. I guess I'm not very open minded to discussion on this either so everyone will just be relegated to calling me names. There is no law that can be made to stop murder. Someone with the intent to kill doesn't follow laws. Making certain weapons have extra hoops to jump thru is window dressing that the honest man pays for. No person with intent jumps thru those hoops anyway. Does the occasional perfectly sane man acquire guns and subsequently go crazy and shoot people? Yes. Still absolutely nothing we can do about it but arm ourselves and hope if it happens near us we are a good enough shot to take him out.
I purpose we just stop all laws, since those who will break the law, will do so. We should start with hunting limits and tags, because those who are going poach, will poach, we can't do a damn thing about it. I also want to be able to buy a: Tank Rocket Laucher F-14 Tom Cat Apache Helo. I want to be ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The law against Murder was not written to Prevent Murder from happening. It was created to Punish those who break the law and hopefully discourage others. The law is accomplishing what it was designed and written for. Now I ask, what is the goal for this proposed law and why. Then ask if what is being proposed will accomplish what it is created for.
Again, there is not one thing you could do to protect yourself if the government went full crazy off the rails. Nothing. An RPG would be the least of your worries. Its an empty argument for the want of civilians to own military grade weapons. And again, plenty of people with poor intentions have been stopped short of executing their plans because there were laws in place that allowed for their arrest. Many, many lives have been saved because of laws that exist for this very reason. So, yes, some laws have stopped murder. They most certainly have.
I wonder how many in the military would be willing to kill their own countrymen, especially if it was at the will of an openly tyrannical government. talk about morale & war weariness. The government is nothing more than a group of people, if enough people left it for whatever reason than that government is rendered powerless. Just remember that people also said there was nothing a few colonists could do against the British superpower of the time.
Ask A Jewish Person from Germany, or a Nazi Solder That would be interesting to hear from the soldiers POV, good question
Since when did the "Aryan" German soldiers consider Jews fellow countrymen? What history book have you been reading? And were the Jews armed like us? Nice try, next please.
Then Google it. There are hundreds upon hundreds of instances. Don't believe me, do your own research. Many of them were able to be arrested and convicted, only because there were laws against the very weapons that they possessed . So, weapons laws have already saved countless lives. To argue otherwise is to ignore reality.
Do we really need to go down this road? The Jews have been viewed as parasitic cockroaches by Eastern Europeans for ever. I don't mean to offend anyone, but it is the truth. It was not hard for the Nazis to propagate lies about the Jews screwing up the first world war and eventually get their soldiers to believe it was only right to exterminate them. "After all they were not Germanic, just a bunch of squatters with no country trying to rule the world and steal everyone's money." That does not even come close to comparing to us, the melting pot of the world. You are comparing two totally different world views and mindsets. I am not saying that if there were a civil war, no one would fight for the government, after all, as long as people propagate lies there will be those that believe them. I only said that I would imagine it to be harder for our soldiers to have to kill their fellow countrymen because they are trying to defend their freedom & Liberty from an openly tyrannical government. As Americans, we are taught that freedom & liberty are our most important values, we believe that our freedom should not be infringed upon. I am only saying that a tyrannical government goes against everything that is America, and therefore it would be harder for an openly tyrannical government to convince Americans that it was right to kill their fellow countrymen because they were against the status quo. But the framers knew that people are just like sheep and easily lied to and led around, that is why they left us a provision to defend ourselves. Stop comparing apples & oranges and get back on point,
The issue is we have far more lemmings than most will admit, and we are far from the melting pot most will admit, and I'll stay on whatever damn point I want to, stop being a tyrannical poster.
sigh.... ooookay; I'll wade in. One of the first thing the Nazis did when they took power was confiscate guns from Jews. ...."bear arms." Tanks cannot be "born". Ditto F-14s or Apaches. Rocket launchers/RPGs should be OK. They're pretty fun. I'd venture to guess that I could kill more people more quickly with household chemicals; if I was so inclined. Ditto a motorized vehicle, for that matter. No legal reason to ban shoulder fired rockets except they look scary to scardypants liberals. uhhhh, yeah some of the lightest triggers I ever felt were on old percussion/flintlock rifles. I also don't "need" to vote, to speak my mind and or worship (or not, in my case) freely, assemble peaceably, have an abortion....but the Founders, the Supreme Court /or and most importantly God say I can. I'm pretty sure God would not want me to have an abortion, but that's another argument entirely. yeah, what he said. My rights do not infringe on yours, only another person can infringe on your rights. That person is the problem, not the tool. Best Watercooler thread, ever.
The question is not about guns, sigh.... the question is would our own country men, army turn against us. It was not just the nazi, there were plenty of civil Germans who did nothing. It would be interesting to hear why.
Cabinet departments the last administration weaponized and turned against us: IRS FBI NSA (I'd say that started under GW) BLM ATF EPA DOE and those are just off the top of my head. Is it such a stretch that after another decade of Prog social engineering the DOD could have done the same? That commie puke West Point cadet was not only admitted to West Point but freaking graduated. My wife has served since 2006. She saw a massive change in the mindset of the military under the last CiC; and it was not for the good.
Sad thing is many Weimer Republic and Monarchist policemen willingly were nazified after Jan. 30th, 1933. (Mueller, Meisinger, and Nebe for example). Treblinka's commandant whined about how after the anschluss policemen were "forced" to become nazi-friendly or join the party in order to keep their jobs, etc, also. IMO, policemen & the military largely would conform to any new government's persecution of a certain demographic. There are many historical precedents other than Nazi Germany, but I'm most familiar with them.
Thanks, this is what I am asking, I know some took it off the rails, as normal. What makes neighbor turn against neighbor. My dad worked for the IRS for 30 years.
