Higgins put it in his book, and did not try and hide it at all. He did not pose with a deer that was gun shot with a bow. He did not come on a forum and lie. I agree Don made an mistake, but lets remember the facts. Don was accused/convicted of tresspassing to recover a deer. He paid a fine and kept the deer, the fact he was allowed to keep the deer is strange to me. These are two very different issues, painting them with a broad brush is a mistake IMO.
I have never and will never support a poacher.......get your facts straight BEFORE you choose to speak for someone else. The problem I had with the way this was handled from the start is all the guy was accused of was entering a gun kill in a fantasy bow contest.........so give him the boot and send his captain a PM. End of story.......anything further and you are taking the whole thing WAY too seriously. Instead it was handled like a capital crime and the guy was dragged through the mud in public........all to remove a bug eyed scrub buck from fantasy team # whatever........if that is a high priority in your life then have fun with that. As far as the issue between you and I........YOU were wrong......YOU let your personal feelings cloud YOUR judgement and YOU put YOUR foot in YOUR mouth.....hence the hypocrisy I quoted. I called you out on it and you manned up and apologized......end of story as far as I was concerned.........don't dredge it up every time we disagree.
Damn Canadians ........... :d :d I do remember the incident on HNI, but I don't think I was in the contest that year. The young man got punished for what he did. Whether or not someone 500 miles away should have squealed on him is your own opinion.
I can't believe you would even type something so stupid........guy enters gun buck in bow contest online and all the sudden he is raping wives?? Dude......take your Lithium and repeat after me...."It's just for fun" Who's defending anything he did? LA........for real man, seek help.......IT'S IN HIS BOOK!!!!! He plead guilty........quick, everyone hide their wives!!!!
Never really cared much for his attitude and his apology.....well not the most sincere but I also know he was 18-19 years old at the time. While some may feel that doesn't matter it does to me. Yes he was certainly old enough to know right from wrong but so what, we all know the difference there and we would all be liars if you we said we always made the right decisions in life. I just remember my "back when I knew it all years" too clearly to judge this kid. From 18-24 I was off the charts with stupidity living the wild life so to speak drinking, partying, fighting, chasing women, pretty much being a real ass clown. It was only by the grace of god that I didn't end up dead or locked up before I decided to grow the hell up and start making better/more responsible decisions. I never considered myself a bad person but looking back now I sometimes shake my head like "What the hell was I doing!" So with that I hope this kid turns it around and his Uncle and whoever else should probably do the same. jmo
He was/is a liar and a poacher. (And if he will do those 2 things, he would probably do more) I still do not get where "defending a liar" is being right. Or is that the politically correct thing to do nowdays? Fantasy contests do not include moral/ethical/and legal decisions on behalf of those involved. Geesh!!
The kid is a ****** bag and shows no remorse. We are all doing exactly what he would want, debating his plight instead of being happy he got what he deserved until the next time he screws up. Aren't we all above going at each other over the actions of a ****** bag????
Yeah that is what the pot smoker says right before he graduates to Meth. Real intelligent Atlas. Show me where he was wrong in anything he did in his story Atlas. Show me. You can not. It is not there. He did what he did to get the justice he knew he deserved. Sort of like admitting you did something wrong to get your way, when actually you di no wrong. Classic. Oh, you may want to take your Geritol... helps with your irritable bowel-mouth syndrome.:d
Trespassing to take a deer vs passing a gun kill for a bow in a fantasy land "contest" where 99% of people are annonymous????......both are dumb, Don's is worse......the guy turned out to have done more (at least convicted of more)....only Don knows what he really did. He was accused of much more if I recall......been awhile since I read that slop. He plead out instead of facing the charges.....again going by memory. They are BOTH D-Bags........and game law violating morons. The fact remains that at least Don deserves whatever he gets because all the info is known and you can decide for yourself.........all this kid did was maybe break the rules in fantasy land and he was treated like Hitler.........none of this info was known then. Seems a little weird to get your nads in a twist over something so trivial......no will argue he is an idiot for poaching a deer.......at least I never have.
What are you even talking about??......dude, you are talking about someone that entered a gun buck in a online fantasy for fun bow "contest" (all that was known then)......then you fly off on a rape and gateway drug tangent?? Up your dose. He plead guilty to lesser charges to avoid more serious allegations. Would you EVER admit to being a game law criminal in regards to a 200" deer you supposedly arrowed legally?? I SURE AS HELL WOULD NOT............NEVER........I don't know anyone that would.......unless they were afraid they would lose in court.
Wow It amazes me that some of you are trying to portray him as having only lied on an on-line contest. That is where it got started, but the fact is he was a poacher. As far as who called, it doesn't matter, that person obviously felt there was a reason to call the authorities and he was right. LC was pretty open with the area he was hunting and the rules for that area, he then posted pictures which were directly contradicting the rules in the area he was hunting. Its not like he broke the contest rules and somebody picked up the phone and dialed the cops simply because of that, LC helped to give him a reason by posting photos on the net. I wonder how many would change their tune on this if it happened in their hunting area.
Atlas, the point I am trying to get across is this. When someone does wrong, it is not a matter of "if" they will get caught. We all do stupid things, as Jeff has stated earlier. The point is, how many ignorant, low-lifes are in this world that get away with a "little" crime today, and tomorrow they are in a homicide? That is not to say we all turn out bad. Some of us have sense enough to change our ways due to knowledge that we will reap what we sow. Some are never so fortunate to grasp this knowledge and actually care about the outcome. I for one, do not want to fall into that category, nor allow my children to do so. Jeff, I hope I am never faced with that dilemna with any of my children/teens. I was faced with it when I was a teen. I got busted (arrested) for drug use in school. It went on my record for 2 yrs of probation. I never have had any negative effects/repurcussions from it. I did learn that life is about choices. This guy has evidently not learned. When will he learn? When someone get's hurt/killed/or whatever? I just believe in learning as early as possible that you "WILL" pay for your mistakes one way or the other. Everyone with a brain the size of Atlas should know that.
That's all he was "accused" of when he was lynched in public. All that was needed was a PM to his captain and a deleted pic........instead people reacted like they found Charles Manson in bed with their daughter. Someone wants to play internet nark and chase a 19 year old kid around from across the country that's their business, I have better things to do. Little perspective is all I ever asked for........doesn't mean I am defending him or anything he did.
Even if the only reason this guy got caught was because someone "took the contest too serious" I don't really care. Bottom line is a poacher and his worthless, toothless, brainless, morally void family at least had to pay a little for breaking the law. Perhaps I take hunting too seriously. Perhaps I respect the animals I hunt too much. Regardless, I find it depressing that intelligent, seemingly ethical hunters could be upset that another hunter turned in a poacher. Everyone needs to police their own. Without the assistance, the DNR, DOW, whoever wouldn't stand a chance. The arguments in this thread are really leaving me scratching my head. I know that this analogy is over the top, but many a murderer are caught b/c they are speeding or doing some far lesser crime. Although on a much lower scale, I see this instance in the same light.
Ignoring yet another retarded extrapolation........NO ONE IS DEFENDING HIS CRIME!!!! If you are not going to read what I write then don't respond because you are not making sense...........entering a gun buck in a fantasy bow contest is not a crime.....not even a "little" one. If you think that makes him likely to rape and kill then I don't know what to say to you. I said his treatment was harsh at the time......and I still stand by it......that's it. How you turned that into defending poaching and criminals is beyond me. You sure you quit the drugs??
Comon you two, you can come up with better insults than that. Lest we forget, it was 3 adults that were convicted. Fran, you failed to answer my questions, when it is acceptable to look the other way and when is it not? Oh, that's right your a lawyer. :huh: You can continue your attempts at insults or you can discuss the facts. Facts are, 3 adults (at least) were convicted. Tell me again who was wrong? Ya'll would rather chastise me and a retired veteran of our military for doing the right thing? Keep the funnies coming, it so helps your case. cheaters are cheaters, liars are liars but in some's minds that's okay? I'll never see that. Jeff, if the mcpoacherssons behind your place had a 19 year old and all of them were poaching deer behind your house you wouldn't turn them in cause you wouldn't want to scare the 19 year old?
Are you guys serious with this stuff??? Man........I am glad the internet narks weren't around when I was teenager. I guess all you guys lived squeaky clean lives and never made stupid mistakes when you were young. Glad the brownshirts never narked me out as a threat to society because I would have been in trouble in 6th grade when I mooned a nun
