Decoder, I Guarantee I Put In More Work Ten Fold During My Season And Before. Honestly I Can Go To Public Land And See Just As Many Deer Or More Than My QDM lanD. Only Difference Is Quality. In My Opinion, Your Idea Of Walking On The Woods, Popping Down In A Spot And Praying A Deer Walks Out Is Pure Lazy.
Both statements cant be true. Either you want to see a kill shot or you don't. These guys are paid to film the killing of deer period. I personally watch a number of shows for two week intervals and then get sick of it for a month or two, but always come back for more. These TV hosts are providing a service, (just like McDonalds) choosing to view, or not is a matter of personal taste. I like Bill Jordan, because he takes a lot of kids out.
Lets be honest, most of the hunting shows, save for the big time shows are actually paying the network to put their show on. It's not the other way around. They are spending big bucks, investing huge amounts of money hoping to hit it big and get picked up by major sponsors. So they better be "killers", because nobody's interested in a hunting show that doesn't have a money shot at the end.
I vote you hunt how you want to, and i'll do the same. we can have this discussion in person if we ever had to hunt together. otherwise, im going to hunt how i want to. and not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
To each his own.... Personally I feel better about killing deer if I feel as though I have "paid my dues" by working hard to manage my deer. True I am killing one of the coolest animals God ever created but if I have provided hundreds of deer with food aplenty, cover, safe harbor from poachers and predators then I feel I've "earned" a deer or two or three. Plus the other woldlife also benefit from the management practices. Some of these shows...I agree, they are in poor taste. The dream season show where it's a sport of killing for team points is personally sickening to me. What I do is just not watch it....
yeah, after some thought I realize I misspoke. I shouldn't have used the term "high fence." I was actually referring to pen hunting, aka canned, aka put/take; which is a bit different. I've seen plenty of shows that are filmed on high fence ranches, and the animals there act about as natural as I can tell.
To some high fence is pen and that is something that will never change. People have been stating true things though, who wants to watch someone sit for 30 minutes and then kill a tiny little deer on tv. It's entertainment and I wish it wasn't becoming so commercialized, but it is what it is and we can't fight it. As for a "real hunter" or "true hunter" thats all subjective. What are you one when you're able to take it with a traditional bow spot and stalk? Are you a true hunter when Native Americans do their song and dance and you get a feather on your head? Is it really hunting when you shoot something with a gun 200-300 yards away? This definition of real hunter is ever changing and every different. I used to think hey, how is it really hunting when you sit over a water hole waiting for something to come by? Same with baiting and treestands. I mean it's basically target practice. More to it than that I understand which is why I don't condemn any of those and would like to try all the methods including dogs. In the end I just want a rug, mount, meat, and the experience that im proud to talk about. I mean are olympic sports really the true sport? they follow a different set of rules than the amateur or pro leagues. Just my opinion!
I personally agree many of the TV personalities lack many of the skills we as hunters think one should possess. Keeping that in mind these people are having the time of their life doing what they love and for that I commend them. Many hunters in my experience are simply jealous of these folks attaining "killing big deer" with minimal to no effort on there own. I personally won't watch many of the shows simply bc I don't enjoy 25 min of guys bathroom habits and or cooking breakfast at the camp and 5 min of hunting. A select few shows appeal to me and I will support and watch them on occasion. We as hunters are not forced to support the shows we do not enjoy but as I told a buddy the other day it beats "the jersey shore or real housewives of san fran" I think many could benefit from taking a step back and respect the people on these shows for following their dream and finding a formula that networks will put on tv. Lets face it the masses don't want to watch 12 episodes on public land of seeing few animals only to take one 85inch buck and a miss a doe. Again, personally these shows leave much to be desired and I rarely watch them but I am blessed with that option and in the end they are just reality tv. I know a guy who has produced hunting videos for the better part of the last 20 years before realtree ect and have watched first hand how these video and or shows although based on real hunting are simply just production and many of the situations and or background are simply to make a show or video and not close to what happened in reality.
Opinions are like A$$holes.. everyone has one and doesn't make yours any sweeter than anyone elses.. I get so tired of people trying to justify that thier way of hunting is the only true ethical way to hunt.... Old school - is a myth. Ever since man started knapping flint it has been one improvement after another to find a way to kill game easier.. Reminder-- Every deer taken is killed. That makes us all killers! Hunting TV is entertainment and sales propaganda.. Take it with a grain of salt and move on...
I think every industry or show is always going to have situations that have to keep improving or becoming more extreme fantasy just to get recognition or if they stayed average would lose interest. I think as long as people do their own thing and doesn't wreck it for others I just do my thing and leave it at that. I probably wont ever do certain hunts, but don't plan on fighting them either, or disagree with them for everyone . Maybe a few years from now I'll think its the way to be or maybe will be vegetarian and fight it altogether. Doubt those too but who knows. I don't care to decide what others should or shouldn't do. If things are legal and operating they must be seen as ok by enough people for that, not that I trust politics unquestionably either, but as some sort of standard I'd say it must fit into some circumstances. Each state varies with broadheads, baiting, shooting hours, limits, technology, and more, and has their reasons, and probably best the restrictions are more personalized because each area is different and needs different limits or restrictions. For a joking but comparable example look at the porn industry. I'm not quite sure that the majority of higher name movies and magazines quite represent average or even potentially real situations, but definitely they sell because people want to see the ideal or fantasy forms of what they do. Probably every man or woman isn't as fit and gifted as every porn star and doesn't walk out and have dream encounters with a handful of perfect 10 models every night out, but it sells. Lots of people are average people, lots family type, that that lifestyle does or doesn't appeal to. Some people do live closer to that than not. I doubt the industry would be still going if it was limitted to average people doing average things and only possibly ending with a moneyshot (like regular hunters going out for lots of hours potentially not shooting or rarely potentially getting record deer) there's enough places in the world people can go and pay and do that stuff and that's their choice I guess, just like the places to go shoot that fantasy deer. Maybe the situations would probably get me all heated like some on here if I was personally affected more by them. If I'm happy with what I'm doing and someone else is happy with what their doing I can live with that. I wont personally be crushed if I put in a thousand hunting hours and shoot a button Buck or not even and someone else gets carted to a stand to shoot a booner and we both call it hunting, or any scenarios in between. There's definitely differences, but no two people will have the perfectly exact scenario so it all is how each person feels about theirs. I know people will have better and worse situations and results than me, but I'm not going to ruin my time or feeling on it because of that.
If people see a make a wish person shoot at a high fence ranch it always gets different responses than someone else that isn't in that situation too. Just another example of scenario where citcumstaces get different feelings. Lots on here would be mad and disrespectful if someone paid for a hunt and got a monster, but a cancer patient or injury survivor does the same and almost all tear up in excitement. There's a place for it all I think
This is simple: We work for a living, and hunt as a sport, enjoyment, and love for the outdoors.. They are being paid to sell other manufacturers clothing, bows, scents, baits, arrows, stands, etc... How can they sell them if they have an hour video of NOTHING !!!! So, with that being said, they put themselves on land that will offer them the best chance to harvest deer using whatever they are selling to try to convince us that the product will work in magical ways.. They dont claim to be "The Robinhood Of The Woods"... Just someone selling others products.. We shoot what we can USE.. Nothing more.. They shoot 30 deer a year in different states and give the meat away.. Yea, they might eat some, but I only harvest what I will use... See the difference?????
There's definitely a difference, there is between every two hunters though it's just of what degree. These threads where people just get vicious about drawing a line and attacking don't accomplish or help anything though. I don't think there really is or should be a distinct line or us vs them. Someone that goes out in carhartt with an old recurve will lash out at someone with scent blocker with a new compound. Then someone with a traditional with a loin cloth will lash out at both. People hunting crappy public land will attach others with good public land or farm land, who will both attack fenced or outfitters. Many are praised self filming trying to preserve memories or try and make it as pros, then viciously attacked for being sellouts and non hunters once they cross a magical line . I'm sure to some it's maybe turned less enjoyable, but I doubt they don't at least somewhat still enjoy it. I know people that got into different jobs for the paycheck but not sure hunting is one of those. Maybe for some it could be. Ill survive if they call themselves hunters or workers. Im just not sure I know where the line would be put. At Justin and Tod? At mark drury? At someone who owns land or buys good or different equiptment? Different motives or feelings about the hunt? Someone who eats every speck of meat, uses hide for clothes, rack and bones for projects? Or cuts the rack and donates or gives away meat? Someone who can afford a luxury hunt or 100? Or someone who got one through charity for a hard situation? I'm not disagreeing there's differences, but I think its just that. If a buddy saves up for a new bow or clothes on here everyone's pumped, or gets new land, or whatever. If someone goes on ahigh fenced or paid hunt their lashed at, unless the person is handicapped or disabled, then the event is a beautiful gift from God, then once that person's hunt is done and memories shared destroy the ranch again It would be nice just everyone enjoying and appreciating their own hunting style for themselves, none will ever be equal.
Threads like this just make me laugh. Just because some one else hunts different from you they arent real hunters or real men...you are joking right! As long as someone is hunting legally we should be happy for each other not jealous. I can't wait to see the hero shots from all the members here and I don't care how big the buck is or where they killed it. I thought you were supposed to get wiser as you get older?
Real Hunter= Someone who LEGALLY takes an animal with a hunting license for a designated area or region in accordance with all game laws set before them by that area or region. From there many will have preferences and opinions on what style they prefer...but that is all preference and nothing more.
this pretty much sums up the thread and the voice of the majority of hunters that frequent this site.
In some states certain types of hunting are legal but in others it is illegal. Does that mean that when you move to the state where it is outlawed, that you were a killer and not a hunter in the other state? No.
