Well many would be wrong, the key word being THINK! And just so you know, the bail out saved over 500,000 jobs, thats a fact no thinking about it. Thats a good thing in my book.
There is no doubt that there my be some ripping off the system, As for me I know 3 people drawing it, One has stage 3 Mesothelioma, One was crushed when a welder fell on him after a nylon choker broke, and the last one eats every spider he can get his hands on. I'm glad they all get it!
I have remained neutral on this because I see points on both sides. You mention that with Unions out of the way that Corporations control us. Funny thing is that if you look at the largest contributors to Political Campaigns you will see that Unions representing 11-15% of workers over the last 21 years have been the primary donors. twelve out of the top twenty are Union organizations swaying votes by pumping money into Democrats and their campaigns. The following link gives a breakdown which oddly shows one slightly Republican leaning Corporation in the top Twenty. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A I have paid dues in one of the Unions in the top Twenty and one in the top fifty so I come into this with the ability to say I have been on both sides. In the end it could be easily argued that the Unions have owned our Politicians over the last 20 years. I could care less who was Union or Non Union as long as they were productive and allowed us to spend our taxes wisely. In Illinois we have one of the highest paid Teachers Unions but also have some of the worst students in America. With this being said are we getting our money's worth considering the outcome?
Educate me on these unions..... Are they self-funding? Or, are taxpayer dollars being used to prop them up? If they're not self-funding.....why SHOULDN'T the taxpayers be upset? I'm not gonna call anyone "clueless". But, the idea that you're just automatically "owed" something is f-in sickening.
I have no hard feelings at all towards you dude. I actually enjoy the majority of your posts around here. Nothing personal.... just discussion. And I probably have stereotyped a little too much, but this subject kind of pisses me off lol. No biggie
A small group of people fighting for what they believe is right. I have heard about this before here in America.
Their right to what exactly? To bargain for what they consider fair wages and benefits? We all have that - it's called quitting and finding another job. Last I checked nobody is trying to pass a bill that says you can't do that. In case everyone forgot, this is America. We pass legislation through the voting of our elected officials. These elected officials represent their constituants and the people who elected them to office. Knowing that they have the votes to pass this bill shows that it's the will of the people of Wisconsin to do so. Now THAT is a right. These coward Democrats who left the state are denying the people of Wisconsin their RIGHT to have their elected officials vote on, and pass, legislation that they want. It's dispicable and they should all be tossed out of office.
Being I worked in a plant, I can say the downfall was not just the union. If you can watch the show the rebirth of Ford, you'll see where the main issues were. As for this bill I am shocked some of you socialist hawks are not all over Wis for trying to take rights away from the people As for teh Democrats leaving, well they are standing up for what the believe in, the wrong way IMO. This country was built on people taking a stand.
The PEOPLE did take a stand - they elected Republicans to office who are going to pass legislation they believe in.
We could use that logic on ObamaCare, which most people do not want. After reading about it the past month I am one of them. The people believe this is about money and not rights being striped away from people. Sorry by most of the people are sheep, who depend on the media for their info, which is wrong most of the time.
I wish we could do here what Wisconsin is trying to do. But the unions here still have too much muscle. Union members are apparently willing to vote Republican as long as their unions are not directly threatened.
I would be careful with the word "rights". Having a union in place to negotiate your wages and benefits for you is a luxury, not a right. The rights we have in regards to our employment - minimum wage, safety requirements, etc are set by the Federal government. IMO everything else above and beyond that should be dictated by the free market, not by unions or politically motivated union bosses. At the end of the day, it's always about money. Take away their power to hold governments and businesses hostage with their wage and benefits demands, and you are in effect taking away their money.
Lets talk about the law. Did the elected officials that left Wisconsin or wherever do anything illegal by not showing up to vote? I for one do not know.
My father manages 43 of these across the Southeast, and it is disgusting what you see people getting a free ride for life for. Problem is, there is no way to fix it really without a total cut back and starting from ground zero.
I doubt they're doing anything illegal. They don't actually have to vote. Apparently the Republicans have a majority sufficient to pass anything, but they're one rep shy of a quorum, so they can't act. If one democrat shows up, they can vote. It's not a matter of law. They have an ethical responsibility to do their jobs.
Keep the taxpayer $$ out of what the unions want.....and I wish 'em the best. Does what the unions are proposing involve taxpayer funding? Questions too complicated for this sheep.
In this particular instance, yes. These are public sector jobs that are in question here, which are funded 100% by taxpayer dollars.
