You're right Jeff I cannot keep up with you on your show watching/listing prowess You Rock Back to topic did anyone know O'Riley was a Union guy. He supports Wis Gov in this fight, but he supports Unions.
Please post a link to this discussion in full. Where does the one-time federal stimulus money that was used last year......and isn't there this year....fit in?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...udget-shortfall-to-undercut-worker-rights.php http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf
What about Mark Belling? He is the best out of the bunch (on his own show) by far. www.belling.com Listen to the podcast Jeff. You will be hooked.
BULLSHEVIK!!! Trust me, I've worked with GOVT employees, and you can create a MOUNTAIN of paperwork, including unsafe, wanton disregard for safety, BLATANT dishonesty, etc, and it's still virtually impossible to get rid of them!!!! Look at NYC Schools.....they had over 1,000 teachers on disciplinary leave, but still being paid because they couldn't fire them just yet this past year!!! I think the collective bargaining should be in the hands of the people paying the workers, which means the legislators who were hired to represent those tax payers should have the handle in bargaining with the state employees. Realistically, teachers retiring at 52yrs old, and then going back to work for the state another 10yrs while they collect retirement is not overly economical for the state. I think they should raise the retirement age to 60 or maybe 62 like the private sector employees generally will have. People are outliving their retirement, and like it or not, at some point, either the retirement age will have to be raised or the working class people will be poor from trying to support the "retired" masses. My dad retired at 48 from the fire dept, he could have worked another 10 yrs easily, yet financially he gained nothing from staying, the retirement wouldn't get any better, therefore, he retired. If the plan was better structured, and incentivized, the outcomes could be better. Unfortunately, the unions are a lot of TAKE and very little "give." The tax-payers in nearly every state in the union are STRAPPED, and at some level, there must be some relief somewhere. The Governer or Wisconsin doesn't have an obligation to the UNION, however he does have an obligation to the 5.6 millon people in the state of Wisconsin, and if he's willing to take a $1 salary for the year to work for those people, then I think they'd better be willing to hear what he has to say. Gary, The Governor has stated he'll take a $1 salary for the year in efforts to try to fix some of the state's money woes..... The Democrats, rather than try to be a part of the solution have become a part of the PROBLEM!!!
Sure. And, Ingraham and Levin and Savage. I used to listen to Alan Colmes show, too (before it was dropped). Liberalism and radio don't seem to work out real well. Might have something to do with having to actually go out and get sponsors......instead of legislating your paycheck. Beats me.
Wow the 1 dollar statement, it's really getting old. Not just him but anyone who states it. I do agree those who left need to come back and debate this and move on. Right now without adding any laws he(Gov) can say no to a deal correct?
All I can say is WOW !! After reading about 50% of these posts, I am glad I never got into this debate. When you discuss poiltics or religion, someone is going to be right and someone is going to be wrong, and the wrong view is usually not your own view, then when you throw family into the mix, there may be some hard feelings. My wifes sister and brother in law live in Madison,Wisconsin and they are probably some of the most staunch liberals living. The SIL called my wife yesterday to talk and all of a sudden my wife could hear the BIL yelling in the background about this whole ordeal, and then he made some comments that didn't sit right with my wife, so she told her sister that she did not want to discuss the situation because she didn't bring it up and said the discussion was over. Soon after that, the call was ended and now my wifes sister is trying to get my daughter to call her to find out God knows what, but my wifes sister has not called here yet. Just a side note, the Sister and BIL both worked for the state in Madison, he was a union electrician. I will just leave it at that and go my merry way, knowing what I think is right, but keeping my opinions to myself, and expressing those opinions when I vote at the polls every so often.
Walker and Chris Cristy of NJ are the new wave of Govt and I for one love it. Regan held a tough stance on the Air traffic Controlers and it needs to been done in Wi and nation wide as far as I'm concerned. You Go Walker, the people elected you and you told them what you would do if elected and now their crying the blues.
Scott Walker, the Governor of Wisconsin who is spearheading the GOP effort to crush collective bargaining, lavished relatively large salary increases on his staff when he was chief executive of the Milwaukee County Board. Walker surreptitiously did this in 2008 - without the approval of the county board itself and at a time that the county was facing a fiscal deficit, and Walker was about to lay off a large number of union workers. In addition, 700 county positions had already been left vacant due to budgetary pressures. According to a 2008 Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel (MJS) article,which exposed Walker's illicit personal staff raises, one aide was to achieve a 26% increase - solely initiated and approved by Walker - even though the staffer, Tom Nardelli, was to receive tax-payer funded pensions that would exceed $35,700 a year. A member of the Milwaukee County Board of Supervisors called Nardelli's salary increase "obscene," according to the MJS. As with the current "budget crisis" in the State of Wisconsin, Walker was helping to create a budget deficit, while using the situation he is responsible for to try and break the unions. According to a February 18 New York Times editorial, "Just last month, he [Walker] and the Legislature gave away $117 million in tax breaks, mostly for businesses that expand and for private health savings accounts. That was a choice lawmakers made, and had it not been for those decisions and a few others, according to the state's Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the state would have had a surplus." It's appropriate then to backtrack to 2008 and Walker's history of gilding the lily for his cronies while trying to break the back of working families becomes illuminated. According to the MJS article entitled "Walker Issues Hefty Raises to Top Milwaukee County Aides": Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker wants a 26% pay raise for his chief of staff, former Ald. Tom Nardelli, while bypassing traditional County Board approval in quietly issuing large pay raises over the summer to several other top aides. Nardelli would get the biggest pay increase of top-tier county officials, a nearly $20,000 raise to $95,000 a year. Seven county administrators also scored increases of up to 12.5%. Some supervisors are upset about being left out of the decision-making process for many of the raises and say Walker's timing couldn't be worse. Heavily rewarding a few top managers while Walker puts final touches on a 2009 budget that's expected to call for scores of layoffs of union workers sends a message of callous disregard, critics of the raises say. Among the other big winners among Walker's top aides was Mitchell International Airport Director Barry Bateman. His pay rises $13,595, or 11%, to $136,299 a year. Facilities Management Director Jack Takerian got an $11,771 (12.5%) raise, to nearly $106,000. One of Walker's highly questionable claims in his Koch Brothers' efforts to squash unions by first going after public worker collective bargaining is that the union benefits are higher than in the private sector. In his stand-off as the point man for the Koch Brothers, **** Armey, and the national Republican Party, Walker is doing in 2011 what he did in 2008: enrich his cronies and the well-off at taxpayer expense, create a budget crisis, and then using the budgetary problem that he is responsible for to crush the unions. History repeats itself, doesn't it - and so does the hypocrisy that threatens the existence of the American working family.
Please explain to me "giving away a tax cut". And don't copy/paste your answer. My city/county gov't. "gave away" hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks to lure Caterpillar to our town. Can anyone tell me (shouldn't take an accounting degree) how this might be a "winner" in the long run?
In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state’s budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million. To the extent that there is an imbalance — Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit — it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes — or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues — the “crisis” would not exist. “Since his inauguration in early January, Walker has approved $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes: “• $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation that still has $73 million due to a lack of job creation. Walker is creating a $25 million hole which will not create or retain jobs. “• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants. “• $67 million for a tax shift plan, so ill-conceived that at best the benefit provided to ‘job creators’ would be less than a dollar a day per new job, and may be as little as 30 cents a day.”
I can not believe you copied and pasted after you were told not too The are good tax breaks and bad tax breaks. Just like there is good spending and bad spending. Jeff's example IMO is a good one. Not only is the state and county going to get the tax rev from the new plant, all the suppliers that will build plants in the area also. Now the state and county has grown their tax rev base and are collecting more tax dollars. Which will pay for the tax break and bring in more tax dollars.
It's a good example, Same one Granholm tried to pass in MI. But you and I both know it has little to do with writing bad checks and then blaming it on the union. Jeff knows to, he just needs some of my attention.
So, he should just keep taking from the taxpayers to fund those bad checks (that he didn't write)? Where do we draw the line on fiscal irresponsibility? Keep taking from one person to give to another? You're OK with that?
You so funny, the guy is the fricken poster child for fiscal irresponsibility. Besides it has little to do with balancing a budget and much to do with breaking a union
Sliv: You're the king of not answering a question. I've asked you the same question over and over, since Obama declared his candidacy. So, I'll try it again............... Are you OK with governement legislating the taking of money from one person to give said money to another? It's an ideological POV. I know the answer (you're terribly transparent). I just think you might feel better if you come on out and admit it.
And I have explained it just as many times, you just can't seam to get ahold of it. I am a realist, there are real world problems that need real world solutions. Wars are not free. You pretend your Taxes go for Cry Baby Banner to play golf if it makes you feel better, and I'll pretend mine go to a single Mother going to school or looking for work. Federal Taxes are now below 1950 levels, yet your still crying. What gets me is some of you think these these public union workers deserve less than what you would expect for yourselves. Unbeliveable!
