Why even talk about it? Don't we already know where it leads? QDMA just love the spotlight? No big deal? QDMA to Represent Hunters in Discussion of For-Profit Deer Harvest | Quality Deer Management Association
Killing deer for money is the same whether somebody pays you for one deer or you sell it by the pound. Deer are being killed and money is exchanging hands.
I really wouldn't read too deeply into it. It will never happen. The hippies hardly let us hunt, only imagine if they got wind of a mass commercial slaughter LOL I don't really know how this went before and how they wiped out the population. But I think if companies could profit from sending hunters in the woods to harvest venison they would be paying land owners for hunting permission and doing large scale push and shoots. Realstically they can only lower the populations on the land they have permission to hunt. My fear is maybe these companies would take away most guys hunting grounds. And then the public land hunters would be greatly effected. Whenever we have profits, I get nervous. In Ontario Canada we already have a problem just with outfitters in Northern Ontario. Sure some are solid guides, but they are quite a few bad apples too. I know many guys, and even myself have been scouting and setting up bait stations, mineral sites. One time in particular I was sure not to even leave a broken branch behind me so no one could track it in. I show up just before the season when we are allowed to hang tree stands in Ontario public land. I got tree stands just surrounding my spot, and again this has happened all across the province to people I know. I purposely went to find out who it was. Outfitter! Another issue we have is outfitters setting up stands literally all along the edges of some bush, just so you when you walk in you see the stand and go around or elsewhere because the potential of a hunter sitting there. When really they never have any intent of using those stands. Profits and hunting shouldn't be together, minus equipment of course.
Maybe, maybe not? I am not saying there is a problem. How do you feel about QDMA representing you on the subject of killing deer for a profit commercially? Do you want venison harvested for money? Maybe it does not matter? Is it good you know the debate is going on?
Can You think of a better ,more educated org. to represent hunter rights/concerns on this issue? Sharpshooters have been hired in the burbs of Milwaukee@$1,000/deer! It does nothing long term for the bird feeder deer herd in backyards.
The issue boils down to safety, clean kills and potential lawsuits. Blood trails across backyards, broadheads lying in lawns, a guy in camo with a gun in someones backyard as the neighbor dials 911, ect.
The 1/10th of 1% of bowhunters who frequent these sites maybe, it's the other 99.9% that are a concern. Ya think Peta would enjoy a gutshot, broken leg, arrow embedded in a neck deer stumbling around the burbs? Homeowners want the deer gone without the reality of how sausage is made.
Please stop coming to northern ontario. The good thing about the bush up here is that there is infinite amounts of places to hunt. If someone sets up beaide you and you don't like it then move. I could say the same about you coming in to my neck of the woods, taking our tags and taking our spots. Just be happy you can come up here and hunt. As a commercial fisherman I deal with this attitude all the time. The sports fishery which has its basis in southern ontario thinks they should have exclusive rights to the fish when they already have access to more water and more fish in a greater amount than we do even though my family havs beencommercial fishing here for over 100 years. Here I am trying to support my family in a fullfilling way that I love and I have be attacked by people who thnink they deserve an exclusive playground.
QDMA was asked to sit on a panel, how does this mean "they just love the spotlight"? Should they have said "no" and rather let the The Wildlife Society decide without anyone representing the hunter? I think being a hunter is being a conservationist and vice versa, QDMA is for both and I think they represent the average hunter. I would tend to think they would also agree that hunting laws can be opened up for hunters to kill these deer rather than paying sharpshooters money to do it. Are some under the impression that QDMA wouldn't be for this?
I don't see any problem and frankly I don't even care to know about the duscussion. It pertains to high deer pops in an urban setting so they can deal with it how they see fit and I feel QDMA is as good an organization as any and better than some. Doesn't bother me a bit that they were asked to join the panel or that they agreed. Of the discussion ever turns to a broader scope on a national level then I will be glad to know details.
By the way you talk you sound exactly the guys I described. So because we don't live closer to the bush like you, you have more right than I do? Just like you said to me if there's a stand move on. So when a outfitter sees a mineral site and feeders why doesn't he move on? Tree stand bordering areas he wants just to act as a fence for his area is ok too? Please buddy you talk as if I should be thankful to hunt in "your" area. I'm a resident of Ontario and pay a lot of taxes in this province. Don't tell me I should be grateful to walk into a bush that belongs to everyone in the province. And I apologize that all of us who live in the productive part of your country come up and take your tags. I forgot you and ten other guys in your town deserve them all. Sorry to everyone else for turning the thread ugly. But in Ontario it's literally a issue no matter where you go. This other guy demonstrates exactly the problem. He's making me aware that I should be happy that I'm allowed up there as if its another country or something. And I know many locals to these northern towns as well who are sick and tired of all the outfitters. Ever since Dryden buck northern Ontario has become the biggest tourist attraction for American hunters. Outfitters basically buy a hundred tree stand put the, up all over a area and set up a website. Group hunts are becoming more and more difficult as one person claims 100 of acres with treestands he won't even use. It's just poor etiquette. Some outfitters are great don't get me wrong. I know there's one American guy on here who owns a guide service in cygnet, I've seen him on here. I would love to hear him chime in. I'm sure he's seen these problems. Lastly I never attacked you initially. I don't even know you. I made it clear there are good guides up there. But there are many bad apples. So if you got offended by the things I mentioned, you could only be offended because you do those very tactics I brought up.
I apologize, honestly. I was just stating how money effects the woods and how it has here in Ontario. After that I just got pissed.
If you want my opinion, start a new thread on the topic, I'm not hijacking this one. Be sure your statements are well thought out as well as any questions you have. But, fair warning, you may not like my response. Edited: You will probably like some of my response but not all of it.
