Sure people make mistakes. Thats what prison is for. Repeat offenders aren't doing crimes because they can't find work, they are doing it because they are low life pieces of feces. There is ALWAYS work for people that want to work, regardless of background. Millions of illegals make a living cutting grass, painting, doing construction, etc. If an employer doesn't care that he's hiring an illegal, he shouldnt care that he's hiring a felon. Sorry man, I'll never agree with people turn to crime because they can't find work. Thats a weak cop out for lazy criminals.
Very true and a repeat offender will likely always be just that. How ever not everyone with a record, felony or otherwise falls into that category.
I know not everyone is a repeat offender. Do your time, move on with your life. I just don't agree with the thought process that crime is an unbreakable trait.
Yes, you do realize if you dont live near the southern borders you'll be hard pressed to find a bus ticket with the money you dont have and put in a security deposit with the money you dont have. I believe that alot of criminals are repeat because yes they are bad, but there are those who want to change and get out of that cycle. What I will never agree is citizens (not ex convicts) who complain about not being able to find a job. That I will never agree with.
Thats the thing, they can't move on if they can't find legit jobs. A person will be more willing to hire an illegal than an ex-convict. Not trying to attack you or anything ; )
No there isn't but thats our judicial system = \ Ill agree with you about the bail the second time offense. As for first time being denied, if the court feels like that person is a flight risk or whatever risk, then it is their duty to deny bail. Not infringing on any rights.
I've never had to choose between the 2, but I'd probably lean towards the convict if I had to pick. Would depend on the crime and the job. Would I hire a tax cheat to mow my yard? Sure. Would I hire an axe murderer to split my firewood? Nope, that job is going to Pablo.
It would seem that the axe murderer would be best fit for the job. But yes I agree it all depends on the crime, I dont think id ever hire a murderer.
Ax murder would be more proficient The cycle we are currently in our urban cities must be broken, and we the people have to have the will to do it. As long as the violence and crime remains in the city's and not the suburbs, nothing will happen. Hell POTUS is from a city that is imploding from within, and nothing has changed.
Got nothing but time I guess. They still qualify for social service like welfare and food stamps right? We can look for excuses of why criminals can't get away from a life of crime, or we can set expectations for them to live up to. I'm on the side of expectations. If they truly want change their ways, they will rise to the expectations, if not they will probably just keep doing what they were doing.
But according to the law, he's still innocent and you are denying him personal freedoms by keeping him in jail. So if the court feels like you might run, they have no evidence of this, then they can deny your rights? Because they "believe" you might? Well, they obviously "believe" you have committed a crime, I guess I don't see how there's really a difference here. Other than that's the way it has always been done.
You just made the point I was trying to make to you earlier (other than the hand outs) Setting expectations and holding them accountable to them, IE. Opportunities aka jobs
I dont know, do we have a paralegal, lawyer, bailiff or judge who can chime in? Im guessing you need some kind of evidence, or reason.
Do they qualify for that? I honestly dont know. If they did then I do see less of a reason for them to return to their ways.
I DO NOT like the idea of someone getting out of prison or jail and going right onto the dole. THAT IS BS They should all be staged in a work release facility or halfway house until they can prove they can get and keep a job that will pay for their existence. Meanwhile paying into the facility which houses them in the interim.
Tackle, this is where I see the catch 22. They can work in a halfway house but when they get out they cant get jobs because of people barring ex convicts. Good point about going straight onto welfare though.
I would not be a happy camper to learn that a convict that commits a crime and goes to prison and is a burden on society can get out and continue to be a burden on society by going straight onto the welfare rolls. There are plenty of menial jobs out there. They need to start at the bottom and earn the trust of society again. I started at the bottom when I went to work and worked my way up, so can they.
Looks like they don't have to start at the bottom. Here's an interesting link. Programs w/possible help upon release (Welfare, SSI, etc) [Archive] - Prison Talk
Taken from the link. "FREE PROGRAM _ POSSIBLE HELP UPON RELEASE " Ex-offenders Bureau of prisons Benefits available to former inmates (Including those in a halfway house) Social Security Office Welfare Department State Rehabilitation Office What do I do? Who do I talk to? Where do I go? Go immediately to the nearest Social Security Office and ask to speak to a counselor so that you can apply for Social Security Insurance Emergency Supplement Benefits of $1,500.00. Explain that you are emotionally and mentally unprepared to hold a job. Show them your parole or mandatory release papers in order to prove that you are just out of prison. Note: You should receive the check within 72 hours. While at the office, fill out the necessary forms for the $310.00 monthly disability benefit for every month you were incarcerated. Now go to the nearest Welfare Department Office and apply for General Relief. Again, show them your parole or mandatory release papers as proof that you are just out of prison. Tell them you need Financial Assistance Immediately. A check should be issued to you within two (2) hours. It should be for approximately $150.00, do not forget to get your food stamps while you are there. You should receive about $110.00 worth. While you are there, be sure to obtain your Medical Card for Health Protection Benefits. Note: This card can be used at any Doctor’s or Dentist’s Office. DO THIS WITHIN THE NEXT TEN DAYS!!!! Go to the State Rehabilitation Center, where you can apply for various Federally Funded Loans & Grants. If you want to start a small business, make a list of the approximate costs of all the equipment you will need (tools, work-clothes, etc…) and estimate for about how much operating cash you will need to start-up the business until it begins to make a living for you. They may loan up to $50,000.00. If you need to be BONDED for employment by a private employer, you can obtain the bond from any U.S. District Court. Go to the Probation & Parole Department. It should take less than an hour to have the validated forms in your hands. SUPPLEMENTAL SOCIAL INCOME (S.S.I.) can best be described as a form of welfare that is paid through the SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE. Different from Social Security benefits, there is no need to qualify as far as your past income is concerned. You AUTOMATICALLY QUALIFY for S.S.I. because you are unemployed and considered to be disabled. Be sure that you understand the situation concerning your disability. Federal Legislation, at this time, documents recognition that you are an ex-offender to the fact that you have an emotional problem. Basically, the government has declared that had you not had this emotional problem, you would have been able to conform to; the rules of society, thus preventing your commission of a federal crime. Regardless of whether or not you feel, or accept the fact, that you as an ex-offender do in fact have this emotional problem, it is considered by both Federal and State Rehabilitation Commissions to be a disability. According to the current policies, mental and emotional problems constitute a 100% disability. And you will be considered to have this disability until you have become a "productive member" of society. The whole purpose of Supplemental Social Income (S.S.I.) is to help you as a recently released ex-felon by relieving part of the economic pressure you will be facing as you re-enter society and try to re-establish yourself as a productive member of your communities. After your release, you as a parolee or otherwise, will qualify for assistance of up to $310.00 per month. Although you do qualify, you will only be able to receive your S.S.I. benefits while you are still in prison waiting to be released. You, by law, have only 30 hours after you are released to reach the nearest Social Security Office and submit your application. If it is necessary that you take the required steps before your release date and apply for these benefits or you will lose the opportunity to take advantage of S.S.I. so 90 days prior to your release, send in your application to be processed. You should have a check waiting for you in the amount of $930.00. Supplemental Social Income is covered under United States Law 42 U.S.C. 1383 (c); 20 CFR 416. 305. 1. Ninety (90) days before release, write a letter to the Social Security Office where you live. They will send you a five (5) question application. Fill it out as accurately as possible, and then return it to the Social Security Office nearest you. 2. When your application is processed, you will get a check for three (3) months totaling nine-hundred thirty dollars (930.00) at three-hundred ten dollars (310.00) each. 3. You can also call the Food Stamp Office’s Hot-Line and get $80.00 worth of food stamps when you go to the Department of Social Services. Also, you can apply for a full food Stamp Grant. This will bring the total to $160.00. 4. You are qualified because you are on S.S.I. The Welfare Department will automatically send you $228.00 per month for financial assistance and utilities. S.S.I. is the same in each state. (a) Go to the Department of Vocational Rehabilitation because you are on S.S.I. (b) A convicted felon is a depressed minority. You also qualify for a certain benefit package. The amount of this benefit is $1,900.00 to be used for a down payment on a car. The car must be needed to go back and forth to work. (c) Also, you receive a $300.00 check for clothing for the job. And another $400.00 check for street clothes. And finally, a $400.00 check for tools. These are GRANTS, NOT LOANS, so they do not have to be paid back. 5. S.B.A. has programs for ex-felons. You are qualified to receive a small Business Administration loan of up to $50,000.00. This loan is only given in the case of business pursuits, and it would be called a "starter" loan. Also, the S.B.A. will provide professional assistance to help you plan employment. You must be bonded for this loan. The Federal H.C.W. will bond you free if no other organization will. Because you are an ex-convict, the loan must be repaid to the S.B.A. The annual percentage rates are low, and for two reasons, 1) You are and ex-felon and 2) business loans are less of a risk than conventional loans. Once you have S.S.I., you can qualify for a loan of up to $5,000.00 from any bank in the area. The loan is guaranteed by the Federal Government and must be repaid. S.S.I. 1) $310.00 for three months 2) $228.00 per month 3) $160.00 per month VOCATIONAL 1) $1,900.00 for auto expense 2) $300.00 for work clothes 3) $400.00 for casual clothes 4) $400.00 for needed tools FEDERAL GRANT OR LOW INTEREST LOANS TOLL-FREE NUMBER 1-800-822-2470 1) Send a letter to the Regional Director of Security asking for application for $980.00 under supplemental income (S.S.I.). Tell them that you have just turned in your parole plan and let them know what area you are being paroled to. Have the applications sent to an outside address in case you are transferred. This is covered under RCW-72.02:040. Public Law 93.365.603. You can not get benefits while in prison, but send a letter about two (2) months prior to your release. As soon as you get out, go to the Social Security Office and apply under (see next post.)
