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Prison does not work!

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by John Galt, May 29, 2013.

  1. John Galt

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    TRENTON, N.J. – Inmates in New Jersey have been collecting millions of dollars in unemployment, health care and retirement benefits they shouldn't have received, according to a report released Wednesday by the state comptroller's office.

    The report shows the state paid inmates $23 million in benefits over 22 months ending in April 2011. Those payments included jobless benefits, Medicaid coverage, food stamps, Work First cash assistance and state pension checks the inmates were not entitled to receive.


    Read more: New Jersey inmates collected millions in government benefits, report says | Fox News
     
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    Prisons have become a place to warehouse criminals. They have too many rights while incarcerated.
     
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    Until our corrupt courts wrongfully convict a man. How many examples of that do i need to bring up?

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    Look at the movie Shawshank Redemption. Every character except Andy was guilty of murder/rapes/kidnapping/robbery and almost everyone felt bad when the "mean" wardon abused them onscreen.

    Our society gives rights to animals for gods sake...of course criminals would have rights.

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    Some how I am ok with that, such is life, no one said it was fair! Nut them!
     
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    I say no more tv, no more visits where prisoners can co-mingle with visitors, while incarcerated you work to earn your keep. Any physically capable person who chooses not to work does not eat. Use minimum security prisoners to work fields raising food to feed the prisoners. There are a lot of ways to change the current operating system, but someone has to keep the ACLU busy while the changes are made permanent.
     
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    I have 3 uncles that were career CO's in PA. Two have retired(just in the past year) and one is still active about to retire. They tell me stories all the time about how much the prisons have "softened up". They say all the time that its more like a one star hotel now instead of a place meant to instil discipline and reform. They also say how over the years the return rate, of released inmates, has seemed to sky rocket and a lot of times it seems more like a reunion to those inmates rather than them not wanting to be there. I feel the system is way to soft and not a real deterrent.

    Of course prisoners should have rights but coddling them and not being stringent while they're supposed to be answering for a crime and reforming their ways isn't helping anyone.
     
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    I, THE DAWG, am a Sgt in a Max prison here in Illinois that used to house Death Row until our state got rid of it. I will say this, a lot of the blame has been put on the prison for the behavior of the cons when they get out. Does prison change inmates.....YES. The problem with that is that some it changes them to be better but on the other hand some change to be more hateful. We have had early release prisoners get busted right away when they are out but some have not returned. I think it is what prison you are at if it is soft or not. Where I work it is not soft at all. We are a Segregation unit that houses the troubled kids/adults that will probably never get out. We have a lot of life sentenced offenders and a lot of X-death row inmates. The ones that are not in seg are the ones that work around the institution. They clean the seg units, yard work, cook food, work on our vehicles, go to different programs, and some other things. On the seg side of things we have had guys that have keep getting in trouble that have not had a TV or Radio in YEARS! So with that said the blame can go many ways! Who is the one to blame? Could be your Government, Capital Staff, Over looker of the prisons, prison staff, offenders themselves, Court systems, or even society! I am sure different people blame different areas on their outlook of this but who is the real blame here? No one will know due to different opinions and outlooks of the price that has to be paid!
     
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    Though those mens have committed crimes, I believe alot of them return because many of them can no longer get legit jobs. It ruins their whole life, if they can't make money the legitimate way, then they'll do whatever it takes to make money.
     
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    That is where Society is to blame! That is why I say where is the blame to go on this situation! Could be all the spots!
     
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    Such is NOT life.

    Life isnt fair, you are correct on that though.
     
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    Some are using the excuse that prison ruins an inmates life and makes them unemployable. There is a real simple solution to that. Stay out of prison.
     
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    Actually it's because that's all they know. The only way to stop it is with education before they turn into criminals. We don't invest in education in this country, we spend a lot of money, but there is no investment.
     
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    The "REAL BLAME" lays with the person who committed the crime which resulted in them ending up in the institution and absolutely NO WHERE ELSE! They are not there to be doted on, they are there for punishment and reform. The courts have gotten lazy and soft and rarely punish criminals properly. Then, when they get to prison, the CO's have their hands tied and cannot do their job. Many are paroled way too early and often end up committing far worse crimes than what they were originally sent to prison for. As far as them not being able to get jobs, the responsibility for that too falls solely on their shoulders. They were the ones who chose to take the path they took.
     
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    Blame started way sooner, at my daughters soccer tourney this weekend the finalist got a little speech from the director. The proceeds from the tourney goes for inner-city soccer club. He told the girls not ONE parent shows up for to watch their kid play, not one. It's easy to point the blame, but we have to except blame also, we have all but ignored inner city problems in this country, and now it's going to bite us in the ***, and we all are going to pay for it. To the tune of 50,000 an inmate. I am not going to state I understand what it's like living with parents who don't care, nor will I state I would not have turned to the life of crime like so many do, because I have no earthly idea what it is like to have parents who don't care, to have family who does not care.

    At a previous tourney a school was at the same hotel, Drury Hotels feeds you breakfast and dinner while you stay, I was talking to the lady from the school who runs the band program. She loves the hotel because over half the parents don't send food or money for their kids to eat, yes read that again. I was just stunned with that comment.

    So when a 14 year old kid who's hungry, uneducated and not loved turns to life of crime or joins a gang, I don't blame him.
     
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    Here's the way I look at it. Did the criminals take into account the rights of their victims? They chose to take someone's rights away by committing a crime, whether that be by taking their life, their freedom, their innocence, or their property. They chose to deny their victims basic human rights. Once they have done this, I have no sympathy for them and feel they should not be afforded any comforts, only a bed and a meal, the rest of the time they should be working to pay off their debt to society.
     
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    Take away the bed and i would feel better.
     
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    I don't disagree with this at all. There is a huge problem in our country and the majority revolves around the inner city, although I'm not sure that we have ignored it. There are many organizations and charities that center on helping inner city children. There are government programs for those people as well. Have we payed as much attention to it as we should have, probably not but they have to be willing to meet half way. I don't feel the majority are willing to do this. To put it bluntly, they don't want a white man telling them what they should do. It is going to take leadership from the black community to stand up speak out against the violence and culture that has grown in the inner city. That hasn't happened yet and we've had a black man in the Whitehouse for 5 years and he hasn't spoke out against the culture in the inner city. It's time the leadership in the black community take a stand and let it be known that there needs to be a change in the culture. Until this happens, there's not much we can do in my opinion.
     

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