PopeYoung club votes down lighted nock inclusion again.

I dont understand how does it help u kill a deer????

 

I agree with justin. I switched over a couple years back and have not lost an arrow since. Also it helped me find my large buck last year because the arrow imbedded in his opposite shoulder so I could see right where he went and eventually died.

 

I shoot deer for me not a book. I still have the paperwork and score sheets for P&Y entry for my buck last year sitting right here on my desk. When I first shot it I thought how cool, I'll make the book, more I thought about it I decided who gives a rats arse. It is my deer on my wall. My trophy, that I get to enjoy everyday. I could care less about my name on a piece of paper. Doesn't mean I don't want to shoot more big bucks though.
Oh and I love my Nocturnals

 

Its their club their rules. Why are we saying they should change their rules? Isnt it their right to do so? I probably will never enter one just because I dont care to be in the book.

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I'm with you 100% on this one. I can give an example where the end results were very bad. A kid and his grandpa were out turkey hunting. Kid shoots the turkey and kills another bird that was behind it. His grandfather told him he has 2 choices either call the game warder, tell him what happened and probably loose both birds, or keep his mouth shut and don't tell anyone. Mind you this grandfather is one of those upstanding churchy type folks that love to talk down about other peoples actions. Kid chooses to keep quite of course. A couple years later, he's become a poacher, and was killing deer and not tagging them. He ends up getting busted for this. You would think he would have learned his lesson, but he didn't. He is now serving 6 years in prison for other types of theft. Sad situation they may have been avoided if only the grandfather would have pointed him down the right path, instead of teaching him that laws don't apply to him.

 

I think everyone's big gripe is simply due to the fact that P&Y is widely considered "the voice" of bowhunters. They're the largest, most well known and respected club in our respective sport so many people look to them as the authority. While I can appreciate the fact that they're all about keeping bowhunting as close to it's roots as possible it is certainly unfortunate when they choose to exclude modern technologies that can probably do more good than bad. However once you open that door it's a slippery slope, so I can understand their hesitation.

Do I agree with their ruling? Not at all. But I'm also not a member of their club so I don't get to vote on their rules, not should I complain about them. If everyone who cared enough to complain about it took the time to join and vote the outcome may have been different.

 

I doesn't. Just helps in the recovery.

 

AMEN TO THAT!!! Let those close minded jackwagons kiss my bass!!!

 

One can still use lighted nocks if they so choose and legal in that state. It is a choice but the animal will not be eligible for P&Y. Boone and Crocket however looks at it differently so just shoot bigger deer :-)
From B&C:III. Use of electronic communication devices to guide hunters to game, artificial lighting, electronic light intensifying devices (night vision optics), sights with built-in electronic range-finding capabilities, thermal imaging equipment, electronic game calls or cameras/timers/motion tracking devices that transmit images and other information to the hunter;

Funny though how P&Y score is the metric hunters will use wether they enter the deer or not.

 

On the fence.

 

I have never shot a lighted nock before and mostly because one of my goals was to shoot and enter a buck in P&Y. The older I get the less I care about the book entry. I picked up a nockturnal nock this week and I'm looking forward to giving it a try during target practice tonight.

 

So my take from a few of you on here Is that a person Is an elitist and a jackwagon because they belong to this club? Interesting.

As for the vote, I too am disappointed as I wanted It to pass. I've been a member going on 15 or 16 years. I understand why they didn't let It In as I know they think once they let one electronic/lighted thing In everything else will want In. Still though I wanted It to pass.

 

I concur...and if I'd had a vote I would have voted yes to allow it. But as I stated books have no bearing on me.

 

From my own personal experience, there are a high number of elitists who are members of Pope & Young. Its just the truth. And it sucks, because like Justin said, they are a huge advocate for our way of life.

 

I'm playing devils advocate here. You shoot a potential world record out at your lease would you feel this same way?

My take is it's club like any other if you don't like it don't join it folks. Personally lighted knocks don't bother me one bit. That doesn't mean I am quitting the club. If so many of you are against this club then why do you refer to bucks as he scored this or he scored that in the same breath. With that being said I didn't like the fact I was required to join after I just paid $35 to have a buck entered. But for now i'm a member and no I didn't vote.

 

Guys have and will cheat. High fence bucks, illegal mineral sites, full moon hunts, wife archery tags,ect. Cheating on taxes, spouses, ncaa rules,academics, is now the norm in our society. The erosion of morals and ethics is amazing.
PY allowed 80% let off some time ago and when You fill out the entry form it asks what bow brand and model and % letoff. And yes they do check. I had a 159 gross get the boot as they determined a 2nd main beam vs. a g-3 like the King buck. Oh well.
PY is losing $$$$@$35/entry but they are the standard for trying to hold technology back. Should xbows with 100% let off be allowed? How long before an infared or laser guided broadhead hits the market? Interesting discussion.

 

Why on earth would you want to do that? Clean kills? More ethical hunts? More enjoyment? Im lost here...

Allowed for what?

That technology is not cost effective, and is illegal anyways?

 

How does it promote clean kills? That lighted nock has nothing to do with that. If you shoot high, shoot back, or miss what does that have to do with it? Educate me on this one. I mostly see finding the arrow is what it promotes.
You as a hunter promote clean kills with your knowledge of the game you are going after a long with the responsibility of knowing your equipment. Countless hours of practicing day after day and during the season so when the moment of truth comes hopefully you are ready.

 

Lol! To be honest I'd bet there's more unethical hunts going on now more then ever because of the high rise In technology. Lighted pins= people taking shots when It's too dark, rangefinders= Taking very long shots, faster bows= taking very long shots. All I hear In archery shops these days Is "bows are so fast I can take 50+ yard shots now and deer/elk won't have time to move". Whatever. 95% of the time speed don't kill folks. Not yet anyway.

 

Should 100% letoff xbows be allowed in the PY book?

Mississippi allows poison pods which promotes really bad shot selection:
uccinylcholine Chloride, or Anectine, is a muscle relaxant that can induce total paralysis. Deer are reported to be much more sensitive to it than are humans, which is why it is chosen for deer hunting. It is illegal to buy or sell Anectine in Mississippi, though a black market exists. It is legal to purchase Anectine in the neighboring state of Alabama. Some Mississippi hunters purchase "the pod" in Alabama for use in Mississippi.

http://game-vector.com/ $380? Cost effective is a relative term.