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Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by atlasman, Dec 17, 2009.

  1. Germ

    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    Typical

    STATE AND POSITION
    1. Wisconsin
    2. Illinois
    3. Iowa
    4. Minnesota
    5. Ohio
    6. Kansas
    7. Michigan
    8. Missouri
    9. Indiana
    10. Texas
    11. New York
    12 Maryland
    13 Kentucky
    14 Pennsylvania
    15 Nebraska
    16 South Dakota
    17 Oklahoma
    18 Montana
    19 New Jersey
    20 North Dakota
    21 Virginia
    22 West Virginia
    23 Mississippi
    24 Georgia
    25 Arkansas
    26 Colorado
    27 Alabama
    28 Tennessee
    29 Massachusetts
    30 Connecticut
    31 North Carolina
    32 Louisiana
    33 Washington
    34 Wyoming
    35 Idaho
    36 New Hampshire
    37 Delaware
    38 Maine
    39 South Carolina
    40 Rhode Island
    41 Florida
    42 Oregon
    43 Vermont

    Look where Idaho ranks

    Non typical
    1 Illinois
    2 Wisconsin
    3 Iowa
    4 Kansas
    5 Minnesota
    6 Ohio
    7 Missouri
    8 Indiana
    9 Nebraska
    10 Kentucky
    11 Texas
    12 Maryland
    13 Oklahoma
    14 New York
    15 South Dakota
    16 Arkansas
    17 Montana
    18 Pennsylvania
    19 North Dakota
    20 Virginia
    21 West Virginia
    22 Georgia
    23 Colorado
    24 Washington
    25 New Jersey
    26 Tennessee
    27 Alabama
    28 Idaho
    29 North Carolina
    30 Mississippi
    31 Connecticut
    32 Oregon
    33 Maine
    34 Massachusetts
    35 Wyoming
    36 Louisiana

    NY ranks 11th, that is better than i thought, Idaho at 35, trying telling that to shed
     
  2. ICALL2MUCH

    ICALL2MUCH Weekend Warrior

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    I could not name TWO people in this area that enter their animals in PY or BC.

    However, NEARLY everyone recognizes the scoring system. It is used in terms of reference in size and uniqueness.

    IMO, there are more deer entered in the above states for TWO main reasons.

    1-There are more deer killed that reach the criteria.

    2-Outfitters house people who "care" more about the score then other states.

    It is also my opinion, that more non-res folks care about entering the score, then residents (hence above).

    * The main point of this thread is to prove what everyone already knows. More 125" deer live in the Midwest then any other region of the world*

    ;)

    There you go atlas - someone said it.
     
  3. atlasman

    atlasman Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Retarded thing to say..............everyone already knows that. What I am looking for is NUMBERS and not ranks because one without the other is meaningless.
     
  4. atlasman

    atlasman Die Hard Bowhunter

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    What year is this from??


    I thought PA was 8th after AR's were implemented??.............at least that's what I was told in another thread.


    Any numbers of entries to go with those ranks??


    Michigan is 7th in typicals and didn't make the list for non??
     
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    1999 it's older data. Sorry I forgot to put that in. Yes being we have a lot of swamps we do not get as many non-typicals here in MI. I am trying to put numbers for you, give me some time. I am going to get the newer edition of a book on Monday. Mine is old.
     
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    How many big bucks come from each state is a very poor indicater of how good or poor the hunting is per state for the most part (except for the obvious states at each end of the spectrum). IMO the ultimate indicater would be P&Y bucks per huntable acre..... Not per state.
     
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    Bruce, you partially answered your own question. Does do not have anything to measure, unless you measure their tits. :eek: However they do deserve respect just as any game animal does. I have fond memories of some of the does I've taken and often tell stories of those hunts. I have seen a lot of the posts telling how canny the older wiser does can be, I agree they can be very wary and wise. I've also stated that I believe that older mature bucks are still a notch tougher to hunt than these does. Just my opinion.

    I have always been fascinated with deer and respect them all.

    If bucks didn't have antlers, I'd still have great memories that were special to me. I imagine then the guidelines for determining a great specimen would be based on size. I'm not sure how much interest that would draw, but I know it wouldn't be like it is with antlers.
     
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    Truer words were never spoken.
     
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    Dan, let me fix this for you. In my haste, I left out a word (see bold blue).

    Now for the last part.

    As I stated from the beginning, I don't believe that being competitive has anything to do with it. You've got the Iowans and quite a few of the illini on here stating the they and anyone they know does not enter their bucks. Are these people not competitive? I think they are, just as all people are by nature competitive.

    Again, here is what I believe........

    Oh, and this...........

    The only one a hunter has to compete with is himself to better themselves as a hunter.

    If they compete against other hunters, I want nothing to do with them and probably won't be hanging around those sites. It's bad for hunting. Period.
     
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    Hell we have a contest, LOL Odds making and i am going to be wearing wrestling get up:D
     
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    Cool.........thanks. Being able to compare with 1999 would be interesting as well.


    The numbers are really the only useful information when analyzing such a list.
     
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    I have entered bucks into the p&y record book... And it isn't so people could see my name. Very few people even know my first name as I have gone by my middle name since the day I was born. So even if someone was to happen to see my entries, they wouldn't know it was me anyhow.
     
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    That was mean of your dad to name you Nancy !! LOL :)

    Dammit now you got me curious... my guess is Richard although I was leaning towards Sylvester at first.

    Tim
     
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    Canada don't have their own book? I'm a member of the P&Y club and have a couple of entries In there (big deal I say). Hunting to me Is also a past time but more so It's time I can spend with my dad. It's got nothing to do with records, none. Also, If I remember correctly there was a P&Y convention held In Canada somewhere not just to long ago so there Is Interest there. But yes you are right, the popularity of the club doesn't seem to be as high there. I always here people say from Canada we have our own "book". Same ****, different book don't ya think.
     
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    I think most states have their own also, in MI it's CBM and it takes 100'' to get in. What are the limits on other states? Do any know your own state?
     
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    Archery wise It's the same as P&Y (125 Inch) here In Mn.
     
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    100" in NC (bow).....and I've not entered any of mine.

    And I've never seen a buck here that would GROSS 125" (over 350 sits). I've also never seen one in my gamecam photos. In fact, I haven't seen one that would be within 10" of that.

    Is what it is. No complaints, here. Just facts.
     
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    As will be myself, my middle name is Dan ;) I bet my first name is Dorkier than yours :eek:
     

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