It's not, you can buy the book at most book stores It's a great tool for hunting other states and where to look for land.
While you are correct, its not what I meant. I meant in places like SK and AB you will find very few people who would enter any animal into a record book. The records mean nothing to them. Now, in a lot of areas, like the midwest, you will find a much higher % of guys will enter their bucks. To this group, its a social thing and a bit of a "brag board." Cultural difference.
Dont' know and really don't care. But, my guess is, no. See, in a lot of those areas, hunting is a past time and a recreation and the people leave it at that. In the midwest and a lot of other areas, its also a competition....therefor its more likely that the latter group would enter their kills.
This is news to me. Of course it's only your opinion of which you have a right. However, of all the people that I know through hunting, official scorers and such that have entered bucks into the record book, it was more of an honor and respect for the buck along with the compilation of data which enables the hunter to seek out better ground. I have never experienced, heard or seen any "competition". Actually, the only negative things I've seen were the jealousy of other people who would say things that were untrue about the successful hunters in an attempt to cover their own short falls. This is the number one reason, in my area, why some do not enter their bucks in the books. They don't want any attention drawn to themselves so they keep it a secret. Pretty sad, really.
Greg, you totally misunderstood what I was saying and I knew someone would comment on that and take offense to it that registers their deer. Having hunted many of these places and met many people from these areas its very true that there is more of a competition around here than up there. That, is where the cultural difference comes in. Nothing wrong with it, its just a fact.
To be honest, until I joined this forum, I rarely ever heard anyone refer to a buck as a p&y. It probably has to do with a 125" buck not being a huge deal in the I.A. forums I visit. We all joke around about getting a Booner but no one really says anything about pope & young around here. I don't know anyone personally around here who has a Boone & Crocket so I am not real sure if they get entered more often or not.
I never said they were competing by entering their bucks in the books. Just stated the fact that those who are into the competitive end of it are more likely to enter their bucks. Nothing more, nothing less. Whether one knows about a club or not is not a cultural difference. That would be an information barrier. Regions where people are more competitive than other regions, thats a cultural difference. I don't know why you're taking offense to me saying that in some areas people are much less competitive than others and as a by product of that competitiveness, those people are more likely to enter their kills.
Not getting offended Dan, just trying to make sense of what you're saying....kind of difficult. Competition of what? We're talking about hunters entering bucks into the books right? I believe that it is a cultural difference. The information barrier stems from the cultural difference. Obviously, if you were to compare New Yorkers to aboriginies, I'm sure you would have not only a competitive difference but a cultural one as well. Too broad of comparrison as I think yours is. Nowdays, where is this competitiveness you speak of when it comes to deer hunting? For all practical purposes, no one is competing for the deer for food. Basically, deer hunting is an individual, personal activity. No room for competition. If you're strictly speaking of regions where people in general seem more competitive than other regions, it may be due to the effects of population differences, not so much cultural. The more people you have in a region will of course enter more in the books than a lesser populated region. But really, you will still have those that will and those that won't in both regions. I just don't believe that competitiveness has anything to do with it.
my opinion about P&Y is i think the net score is kinda BS. Nets are for fishing not hunting. I dont see the reason to take anything away from a deer. To me if a deer has a split tine on one side or an extra tine on one side it just adds character to a deer. I see no reason to take away from a deer!
That's why I don't enter my bucks. I never use my gifts for personal gain. However.... you will respect me with little or no hesitation! I demand it!
I couldn't agree more. We as Americans, have a "need" to keep score on damned near everything it seems. Like Dan said, they couldn't care less about scoring up north. I had a local native Indian guiding me on a reservation in Alberta, and he had what was at least a 150" rack just sitting on an old trailer outside in his yard just weathering. I said to him most guys I know would have had that buck mounted! He looked at me and just laughed and told me "they're a dime a dozen up here".
The only reason it's difficult to understand is because you haven't hunted those places and seen the culture. I could go on and on and try to explain it to you, but its pointless becasue you live here in the midwest and have never experienced the hunting in AB or SK. Its like trying to explain to an eskimo what a palm tree is. Don't take any offense, its just that you have an information barrier. Here's a guy who agrees with me. Why? Becasue he's been there and experienced the culture.
What is the point in measuring antlers? As far as I have been able to determine it doesn't measure the animals health, age, or anything else relating to the health of the herd in general. I don't see how measuring them and then putting the number in a book with the hunter's name pays respect to the animal. I mean, it was killed just so its' antlers could be measured LOL. How the heck is that "respecting" the animal? From what I can see, it is a number that one guy can use to compare his "skill" (not his location mind you lol ) to some other guy's "skill". The number really doesn't mean squat to the dead deer and certainly doesn't indicate any respect for the dead deer. Not sure how the number equates to skill either but, from reading posts on this forum and others, most folks equate higher skill to a higher measurement.
After reading this thread (and the other one).. it becomes clear to me just how 'judgemental' many of us are to our fellow hunters. Several of us on here even generalized guys who put their bucks into the P&Y club as 'trying to show off'... or what have you. C'mon.. these guys aren't murderers or pimps.. their just hunters and whatever their motive is.. who acres.. and mind your own business. Whether you agree with the club or not... whether you agree with putting your name in or not.. don't pretend to know what ANY man is doing it for. It makes you come off rather lucid. I'd like to congratulate any man who enters any animal into any one of the above mentioned clubs.. SCI.. P&Y.. B&C.. whatever. Congrats to you. Whatever it was.. I'm sure the intention wasn't evily pre-emptive. Or was it?
If you're refering to me, its obvious you and a select few others misunderstood what I am saying about cultural differences and why certain groups are more apt to enter their kills. Should I continue to try explaining it? Not worth it. Those who want to hear one thing will read only that into it.
