Poor Arrow Penetration - quartering away?

There's a thread on here a few lines down about a lost deer due to poor penetration from a quartering away shot. Several hunters went on to claim that quartering away shots are poor shots. Then people were talking about the bow hunter only drawing 60 pounds, as if that isn't enough? I totally disagree with all of this. I shoot a Matthew's Halon 32, 62lbs, Carbon Express Reds, 100 grain G5 Dead Meat - mechanical, prior were G5 Tekans- mechanical result was the same. The dead meat seems to cut more.

1.) I was taught that archers should always try to allow a deer to walk two steps past to get a quartering away shot to better, open up the vitals, increase the length of cuts to lungs and increase damage from an arrow, second choice is broadside. Steeply, quartering away shots can provide a reduced target zone and should not be taken given an archer's ability, but I have NEVER, repeat NEVER not recovered a deer that was quartered away - and for the record I successfully harvest at least two deer nearly every season, nearly all quartered away. I shot a doe this way on Saturday at 33 yds, double lung and liver. The opposing lung was nearly severed in two with a 7" slice across the right lung, 3" on the left - 10" of cut lung, not 6 like a broadside shot. The arrow was a pass through and I heard it hit the opposing shoulder bone which was confirmed when I recovered the doe within 15 minutes of leaving the stand.

2.) 60 pounds is more than adequate to effectively take down a whitetail - fixed or mechanical, doesn't matter as long as it is a well-placed arrow. I have shot both fixed and mechanical and experienced more arrow drift with fixed in wind. Since, switching to mechanicals in 2008 I have never had the issue again.

3.) You do not need a super-heavy arrow to get penetration or a fixed broad head. If you are putting your arrows in the boiler room, you don't need a heavy arrow to get past bones etc. You need to envision your arrow passing through the deer, and exiting behind the opposing shoulder. If you do this on a quartering away, you should get both lungs, possibly heart and/or some liver on every shot. The poorest penetration I have ever gotten with properly placed quartering away is 7-8" with a dead buck that is on the wall behind me with a broken tine. There was no exit wound, no blood but the deer crashed 40 yards from my stand.

I just don't agree quartering away is a bad shot. If you believe that maybe you just made a bad shot...

 

There is a dramatic difference between slightly quartering away, quartering away and hard quartering away - the thread you're speaking to, all signs pointed towards a hard quartering away shot. I've heard many dumb things but never honestly heard a hunter (whose opinion is worth listening to) say quartering away shots are bad shot choices.

 

Sure depending on the head the exact same arrow build and the only difference is the heads which tip them, you will "catch more wind" with a fixed. However, when I personally started experimenting with heavier arrow builds and then building a higher FOC, one of the things I noticed - perhaps the biggest thing I noticed - was that things ability to fight some strong cross winds while practicing. So I'd say you're statement isn't wrong, but there are far more factors which would need disclosed or discussed to properly convey such a statement.

 

I also like how heavier arrows space out pins

In Venatione Veritas

 

for my hunting, most shots, like 98% are less than 20 yds. shooting 72# with a 390 gr arrow and a rage two blade, it has been devestating on quartering away shots.

 

I will really only take two shot angles. Broad side and quartering away. Zero concern with a quartering away shot...unless the angle gets to be extreme. The more turned it is the easier it is to miss vitals if you pull the shot left/right. A 45° angle is about max for me.

 

I’m never surprised at the lack of fundamental understanding of the anatomy of deer by the Hunter‘s that spend so much time trying to kill them.
The most advantageous effects of a quartering always shot with bow is the rupture of the diaphragm which will in most cases create negative pressure in the thoracic cavity which may in some case lead to Cariogenic shock. However the penetrating trauma to the diaphragm from a broadhead, although it’s fairly large may still be obstructed by abdominal organs. So the goal in shot placement is the same regardless of the angle of the shot. Penetrate as much vital organs as possible to lead to enough blood loss that will quickly cause the animal to enter Hypervolemic shock. A quartering away shot that is too far back or too far forward is no better or worse then broadside shot that was miss placed.