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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Artem256, Jun 1, 2019.

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    I'm in a group chat with about 15 college buddies. Vast majority are conservative but some liberals. A bunch of them are well off businessmen...so it was an eye opener to me when they said they voted straight Republican for Congress and Senate elections but voted Libertarian for President. I would guess that is how a lot of the election played out. And I asked them why they made that choice and they couldnt stomach to vote for someone who comes across as such an ahole.
     
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    Ya nothing wrong with thousands of dead people voting. Machines changing votes, machines all shutting down in the middle of the night with a drastic change in the leading count once they started again. LITERALLY WATCHING the same stacks of votes going through machinery 4 x's on video tape. Bypassing state legislature to change state voting rules.
    Hell I warned about it before it happened from past voting inspector experiences. Many many people with some experience did ,before the election.
    BTW.. I Have only seen things from Q that people trashing them post about, which is yet another comical thing to me. How much time does one have to spend reading about conspiracies to know so much?
    BTW The Republican party has been destroying itself for years BEFORE Trump. Which is why I was a Democrat for over 40 years before Trump.
    Trump, he was a fool, no doubt. He trusted the American people. He should have studied human nature a bit better.
     
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    Not going to try to prove anything here,
    It seems every election there are votes discarded and likely more accusations for one reason or another (dead voter, improperly filed out ballots, whatever). Some of the concerns below came up at least accusationally last as well as this election. When I hear problem, I start thinking about options or potential solutioning. But perception of fraud is problematic as it breeds distrust.

    Things I thing would help and like to see tweaked, granted smaller counties and less affluent areas these may not all be feasible.

    I'd like to see nationwide elimination of vote harvesting - help reduce the possibility of fraud.

    Id required at polls, ideally photo ID. In my state, I could literally vote as my neighbor, since you only have to provide your name and address.

    Validation across channels (mail in, in person, early, eventual online or whatever evolves) are checked to validate 1 vote per person.

    Cross jurisdiction checks to avoid potential of fraud 'I just moved'. Same rationale as above.

    Automation of mail in vote processing (your utilities with banks built this (lockbox technology) decades ago). This can all be video monitored and served up live on the internet if people care to watch...
     
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    I was hoping that after today that we would all move forward and unite, something that would go a long way to facilitate this would be to stop with the Trump blaming and attacking you won you are in power how about talking about what you are going to go forward rather than continually talking how bad it was before you got elected. Media same thing get over it and move on quit ripping it's over.
     
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    so this may be a bit to soon ...
     

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    Ok America has spoken. Whether i like it or not im going to hold on for the ride. Lets go Sleepy Joe! AD13594E-294B-45B7-8322-9168EE068C6C.jpeg
     
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    The other way around it was funny. That there will get your door kicked in by secret service and FBI
     
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    did they ever knock on that red headed witches door, or Madonna when she referenced blowing up the Whitehouse ?? ... libs/dems always get a pass .. that is why Clinton(s) are not behind bars, same for Comey, McCabe, Hunter Jr., Sharpton et al. .... .... also why there is feigned outrage over Trumps peaceful speech and the Dems/FNM were silent or pushed for the ANTIFA/BLM riots .. hypocrisy ...
     
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    So, again, I've looked into all of these claims and have yet to find credible evidence or sources for any of them. Lots of conjecture and outrage, not so much with the proof.

    The only item of validity on your list is bypassing of the state legislature to change state voting rules. In those particular instances, it's a bit of a gray area as the wording isn't wholly specific enough to determine if there is truly any illegal activity taking place. That argument was the basis of almost every lawsuit filed to have the votes thrown out - and each time it was overturned. In several instances, the cases were thrown out by Trump-appointed judges. Oh, how I do love some good irony.

    Each individual state regulates how they are going to handle their elections - not the Feds. The cases in question were all very minor things that affected a statistically insignificant amount of votes - never enough to change the outcome of that State's election. It was minor BS like extending the voting hours to starting voting earlier than usual due to the pandemic. Nothing that would have swayed the outcome of the election. In at least one instance, the votes that came in after a specific time were thrown out, and Trump still lost.

    Interestingly enough, those election results were only challenged in states that Trump lost. In spite of the fact that a multitude of states changed election laws this year that didn't get approved by the State legislature, the only ones that got sued were the ones that Biden won. Because, you know, we're concerned about having legit elections and we're not at all angered by the outcome of the elections themselves.
     
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    The last 5 elections dating back 20 yrs the popular vote numbers have been around 120mil combined with small variation from each cycle up and or down. Yet the year they push mail in ballots the numbers jump to 156mil and you think that's not a red flag? Because Biden and Trump ticket inspired ppl to get out and vote more than obama???
    I can post links and I'll get a oh yeah I believe so and so website as far as I can throw them etc. Or should I search for videos that were there and oddly no longer are. Hell I'll give you a great example. A few days ago I messaged Okiebob with a link to a great article to get his opinion. He and I differ politically but have a respectfully repport. By the time he got the link the article was gone. Censorship but only for the few. I could find stuff, But I'm not, I'm done. The numbers don't make sense but I don't care to make a believer out of you or anyone else. I've come to peace with it. Let's call it a time for unity
     
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    I'm 100% for election reform, a more secure and transparent process, and ID required at polls. Unfortunately, with Dem control across the board, we won't be seeing this any time soon.

    I need an ID to drive a car, buy alcohol, get a job, buy a cigar, buy a gun, or fly on an airplane, but not to cast a vote. I don't believe that anyone actually thinks this is right. But, when it serves your purpose, you'll go along with it.
     
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    So, we have a theory here - but no evidence to back it up.

    I would venture to say that yes - this election was the most contested and heated that any of us have ever seen. Obama brought a lot of people out FOR him, but the movement AGAINST him was nothing like that we saw with Trump. People hate him at a visceral level that I've never seen before.

    I think about this the same way I look at people leaving reviews online. If you have a good experience with a company or a product you "might" go online and leave them a good review. When it's convenient and if you have the time. But, if you have a bad experience, you can bet your ass you're going to every website you can and ripping them up and down. Our natural inclination is to show much more enthusiasm and drive against things we don't like than the ones we do.

    And, if you don't need to leave your house to cast a vote, I can imagine a scenario where we see voter numbers increase substantially.

    In all fairness - anyone can make a website and post whatever they want on it. True or not. There needs to be legitimate evidence to back up their claims. And if there was as wide-spread of fraud as Trump and his supporters claim, it shouldn't be hard to find.

    I don't doubt that there was likely some element of fraud - on both sides of this election. With a country this big and this much at stake, I'd be willing to bet there is always some element of questionable voting going on. However, finding one example of a few hundred or thousand votes, doesn't automatically lead to the conclusion that the whole thing was rigged.

    Devil's advocate - what if the article was taken down because it was proven untrue? Censorship may be running rampant, but information that powerful, if true, will always find the light of day. You can't keep the Internet down if the people want to get information out there.

    Unity it is! We just have to understand that comes from both sides. Unfortunately, we have a lot of people on "our side" of the aisle who are incredibly salt and seemingly out of touch with reality.
     
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    ROFLMAO !! .... Biden is already breaking campaign promises ....

    https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/01/20/313291-n313291

    Biden Gets Blasted for His First Official Lie/Broken Promise, Georgians Slam Him For His Betrayal

    You may remember in the run up to the general election House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) hung up Wuhan coronavirus relief and then tried to blame President Donald Trump for the effect on the economy that was largely due to Democratic lockdowns. Then after the election she basically admitted that now she was in favor of passing the relief because we “now would have a new president,” having achieved her aim.



    Then before the Georgia run-offs, President Donald Trump advocated for $2000 checks in relief. Joe Biden and the Democrats promised voters $2000 check in order to try to get people in Georgia to vote for their extremely flawed candidates, Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock. They went everywhere in Georgia telling folks that voting for Democrats meant a $2000 check.

    Democrats are all words and spin for power.


    Oscar Zaro said that Georgians in the 14th district were spurred on to vote more Democratic than usual this year because of that promise.

    “The last few weeks heading towards the runoff election, especially after Trump endorsed the $2,000 payments, Warnock and Ossoff made it a point to endorse and exclusively say ‘$2,000 checks,’” he said. “A lot of the people in my district voted blue in the runoff for two main reasons: (1) Loeffler and Perdue denying us relief during COVID while profiting millions themselves; and (2) $2,000 checks.”

    “They really underestimate just how much people are hurting economically,” Zaro added, referring to Democrats who he views as reneging on their word.

    He wasn’t the only one.

    Rogelio Linares, who hails from Atlanta, canvassed innumerable Georgia voters as part of one service industry union’s massive outreach program on behalf of the Democratic Party during the Senate runoffs.

    “I was on the ground and I knocked over 1,000 doors,” he told Mediaite in an interview. “At the doors, I was literally telling people, ‘$2K checks, you can rely on this.’ I’m a man of principle and morals and I feel like ****. I lied to them. I was lying to them the whole time. I was lying to people that were relying on this. At the time I didn’t know it was a lie. But that was not the reality.”

    Linares consistently reiterated that many Georgia voters feel taken advantage but crestfallen because there’s essentially nothing they can do about the Democratic Party’s abrupt reversal on the amount of direct aid currently being proposed.

    “This is pretty much a betrayal of the working class,” he said.

    “I know people are pissed off about it,” Linares continued. “People are very mad about it. We are so on our knees as a country–we don’t have much leverage. The working class, small businesses [who are] getting hammered. I’m pissed off, Everyone’s pissed off, union workers are pissed off. It’s sad. It’s absurd. It’s disgusting. But there’s not much people can do.”


    Linares said “one hundred percent” believe it and were “definitely relying” on those checks.

    “We were talking about $2,000 checks daily,” he continued. “We were pitching $2K checks because that’s what the campaigns were pushing as well. They were tweeting about it nonstop, posting on Instagram about it nonstop, the senators-elect themselves. They stabbed people in the back. The majority of people I worked with left their jobs for a month. They put their lives on hold and then [the incoming administration] went and stabbed them in the back.”

    No, there should have been no confusion about the amount.

    Anger at the quick turn is rife and could lead to electoral problems down the road in the recent and perilously blue state, Georgians insist.

    “I definitely interpreted Warnock and Ossoff’s many advertisements and interviews where they spoke explicitly of getting people ‘$2,000 checks,’ as meaning $2,000 checks,” Atlanta, Georgia-based YouTuber Mac Holmes told Mediaite. “If they meant $1,400 on top of the previous $600, why continue advertising $2,000 checks after the $600 was already passed? That’s at best misleading and at worst an outright lie.”

    “If voters thought they meant new, separate $2,000 checks, why not just do that?” Holmes continued. “The $2,000 checks were one of the main reasons Democrats flipped Georgia. If they want it to stay that way, they should be relentlessly fighting for the $2,000 checks many voters thought they were being promised.”

    On top of all that, the word now is that the checks wouldn’t even be cut until at least March before the Democrats will even hear the proposed bill. So they’re able to impeach Trump on no evidence in a couple of days but they still can’t cut you checks they’ve been promising for months.


    The Biden Transition team didn’t bother to respond to Mediaiate’s request for a response to their story. Of course, why bother? They got what they wanted, power. They don’t care about who they tricked or how they hurt them, much less credibility.
     
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    Yep sailed right over video evidence..what's that lying eyes quote...hhhmmmm
     
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    So how long before people start...disappearing...hhhhmmmmm
     
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    Like I've been saying, Americans getting exactly what they deserve...
     
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    Ah....600 +1400 = 2000..... yea math is a little more taxing than cutting and pasting ..... some people keep proving their stupidity. Bet they already cashed those 600 checks though
     
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    as usual Trial is looking down on those who were lied to in GA. during the RUN UP to the election ... covering again for his liberal socialist dem party ?? ... I guess Trial is saying those in GA. are not as smart as someone in NY .. his elite-ness is showing again ..
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    If voters thought they meant new, separate $2,000 checks, why not just do that?” Holmes continued. “The $2,000 checks were one of the main reasons Democrats flipped Georgia. If they want it to stay that way, they should be relentlessly fighting for the $2,000 checks many voters thought they were being promised.”

    On top of all that, the word now is that the checks wouldn’t even be cut until at least March before the Democrats will even hear the proposed bill. So they’re able to impeach Trump on no evidence in a couple of days but they still can’t cut you checks they’ve been promising for months."
     
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    I'm not going to go back and try to find the things that I thought were convincing to me that election fraud took place. Most of it is buried now at this late stage of the game. Also, at this point in time, it is not worth my time to try and convince anyone that there was indeed a corrupt election process. All I have to say is that I did a lot of research on the subject also and was convinced that fraud did take place in many different ways.

    We'll just have to see how it goes from here.

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