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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Artem256, Jun 1, 2019.

  1. early in

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    The real problem is many people are simply uninformed/ill-informed, period. FWIW, it's dimensional, not dementional. I learned that during one of my mind altering episodes. :biggrin:
     
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    Thanks for the catch...I was busy and didn't get back to it...As I usually do.
    Now, you are absolutely correct! Simple uninformed, definitely ill informed people.
    So if you actually stop watching your main stream propagandists, gather your information from a variety of sources, there just may be a little hope for you. Not betting on it, but I have a sincere hope for you.
     
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    That's exactly what I do, hence my post #8884.
     
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    My kids worked their asses off to pay off their student loans off as fast as possible, now the it's not fair crowd is going to get $50,000 forgiven. Bunch of bullshit. I am rewarded with motivated children that are self reliant and have pride rather than waiting for a government hand out while the lower 50% will never succeed when they constantly throw city parties because life isn't fair.
     
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    as usual, Early In is WRONG ..

    The Proud Boys are a multi-racial, multicultural, multi-ethnic international conservative or paleoconservative fraternal organization. Proud Boys describe themselves as "western chauvinists" and espouse pro-second amendment, pro-free speech, anti-illegal immigration, and anti-racist views.
    In actuality, the Proud Boys are a multiracial group (which even some liberal outlets have noted and have continually denounced the Alt-Right, to the point that actual Alt-Right groups often attack them and their founder as well. The FBI has declared the Proud Boys are not extremist or terroristic. In October 2020, Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes announced he is suing Joe Biden, CNN and ‘reporters who call multiracial Patriotic group white supremacists and Nazis’.

    The FBI says the Proud Boys are not an extremist group after all

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...ider-proud-boys-an-extremist-group-agent-says

     
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    Now your kids that are successful and self reliant can also pay to keep these leeches in party favors
     
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    hhmmmm, I see, that confirms the simple comment.
     
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    I'll be sure to get your approval before posting next time...
     
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    Well if that is what you'd like, though I see absolutely nothing in my post that prompted THAT particular response.
     
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    IF Trump executes this 2018 Executive Order, you will see dem/lib/RINO's and #neverTrumpers/America haters heads explode across the nation ...

    https://redstate.com/slee/2020/12/1...ossible-foreign-election-interference-n293967


    What makes the DNI Director’s statements particularly interesting is the existence of a 2018 executive order signed by President Trump that found “the ability of persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States to interfere in or undermine public confidence in United States elections, including through the unauthorized accessing of election and campaign infrastructure or the covert distribution of propaganda and disinformation, constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”

    The executive order mandates that “45 days after the conclusion of a United States election, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies), shall conduct an assessment of any information indicating that a foreign government, or any person acting as an agent of or on behalf of a foreign government, has acted with the intent or purpose of interfering in that election…The Director of National Intelligence shall deliver this assessment and appropriate supporting information to the President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security.”


    Further, the order allows for sanctions on any person or entity found to have worked on behalf of a foreign government toward interfering in a U.S. election.

    December 18 will mark 45 days since election day.
     
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    I deleted the stuff I was not interested in.

    Is this for NY? Or nationally?
     
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    In Wisconsin there has been a fee for using a credit card for quite a while. Last I heard it was 3%.

    Unless you're asking if there is an additional 4% fee on top of that........ then I don't know. We got rid of our credit card machine last spring.
     
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    Merchants (whomever takes credit cards) have always been charged or taken a haircut on credit card purchases. This is actually split into two primary areas: interchange fees (E.g payments to Visa, Mc, Amex, discover; or other involved networks) and fees for card issuers (often banks) .

    Depending on the volume of business and relationship details (E.g. Assets, profitability, etc) the total charged is somewhat negotiable.

    The Walmart and Amazon's maybe are taking a 1-2% haircut v Joe's gas and sip.

    This is not new. Been around for decades and it's not political. It is Capitalism.
     
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    Can confirm.
     
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    @GregH, @wl704 , @Fix


    I am aware of what you pointed out.

    I was trying to get at one word in OND's statement "forcing" .

    I am unaware that a merchant can be forced to impose 4% in such fees.

    Since 2013 merchants have been allowed to pass along their ACTUAL fees up to 4%. NY had a ban on that practice until last year I believe.

    I was wondering if this was a case where OND was charged this fee and the employee at the register told her that it was mandatory-when in fact it is not. Sometimes, employees word things such in that way in an attempt to deflect criticism.

    We had an establishment that did just that. Employees were actually instructed to tell customers that it was a mandatory fee. This establishment also conveniently did not post, as required, that the fee was being passed along to its customers.
     
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    Utter BS! You sound as bad as bleeding heart liberals.

    The economics around a pandemic, notions of foreclosure and fees are not be concepts nor conspiracy.

    Many folks have made a lot of $, not just Billionaires and will continue to do so. Look at the changes in how people have behave, shop, spend and capitalize on it. Video conferencing was a hit as was online purchases. Fuel, airlines, hotels were hit hard. Look at the devaluation of currency and low global interest rates. As dvd you tried to purchase an appliance or vehicle? No inventory... So what happens when businesses return to full production.... This isn't rocket science.

    It you take out a loan and don't pay it, foreclosure or repo are the consequences... This isn't new. Yes the pandemic was a kick to the crotch for many, and the government did implement laws to stay (temporarily halt) foreclosures. But the day of reckoning is coming. Again, warnings against being in debt aren't new. My depression era grandparents relayed this message through my parents as did others (Dave Ramsey, Suze Orman, Bob Brinker and many others).

    Yes if there are mass foreclosures in a metro, it will affect taxes. The government will tax its way out of trouble or go further in debt with bonds...those are the only tools they know to increase revenue. Dem states, and cities have been historically heavy handed on taxes, but Republicans really have done little in recent decades to show they are truly fiscallt conservative.

    Not all small businesses are suffering, only those who weren't able or nimble enough to react and adapt.

    Others who were prepared will benefit from the liquidation of properties on tax lines, auctions, etc. There is still a lot of $ on the sidelines ready to swoop in and further invest.
     
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