Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Artem256, Jun 1, 2019.
To give the choice to murder is what is tyranny.
There is a distinct difference in choosing to murder, vs choosing a tool to defend yourself. There is interfering in people’s lives. On the right its banning gay marriage, and discrimination against gay people which is wrong. On the left there’s gay people trying to force a baker to bake a cake, equally wrong. On the right there’s defending the life of a innocent child, that’s good, also defending a person’s natural right to self defence also good. Sorry cant really find much good on the left side except supporting gay rights, which is pretty much the only thing besides “religion” I lean left on.
Yet a man that murders a pregnant woman gets charged with two murders. (Yes yes I know that sounds bad)
Im such a little lol adding to the confusion
Not until I can pay off my laptop and afford that stunning white wolf penobscot bow Id have it in black and blue.
My opinion, in every way, mirrors that of dnoodles. Down to the fact that I used to believe differently and have changed my stance on this over time.
Saying that you'll never change your mind about a topic is foolish and closed-minded. While you may not be likely to change, our opinions should always be subject to change as we age, learn, experience life and generally see the world differently. If I still believed vehemently in everything I believed at 18 or 20 years old, I would be a much different person. Pretty sure we all would be.
One of my bigger issues about abortion legislation is how most pro-choice supporters seek to enact legislation based on theoretical situations that represent a very, VERY small percentage of real life abortions. We should never legislate based on the far ends of the spectrum, regardless of the topic. That, in itself, is a recipe for disaster. Creating abortion legislation based on "rape and incest" is the political equivalent of creating gun legislation based on mass shootings.
Whether you like Steven Crowder or not, I believe everyone should watch his "Change My Mind" segments about being Pro-Life. They're full of great information and a few laughs from time to time.
I’m with you 100% on everything but abortion. Why ? We are talking taking the LIFE of a living person, mostly that has a heartbeat.
Technology has moved this abortion “act” of Roe vs Wade to a flat out MURDER because the baby has a heartbeat.
How much of men are we or human beings to stifle the voice of the unable to speak ?
The more and more I consider abortion in 2019, the more concerned I get thinking society calls hunters , killers and abortionists , saviors.
This ain’t going so well. We just cannot turn into a savage society on account “we don’t want the result of our choice”. Every other choice in life we have consequences tied to it. Why does sex have a clean slate wipe out clause ?
Abortion was what it was back in the day. Today is a new world. Saturn doesn’t have 3 rings and there are planets further than Pluto. Abortion is being done on heartbeating fetus’. That is enough to sober this hunter, who society calls a killer.
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I’m far from close minded Justin. I have changed my mind a few times on the issue. I’m more open minded then I’ve ever been. I choose not to get in an argument over it on the internet. People feel very adamant on their stance, and rightfully so. I don’t expect to change someone’s beliefs, nor do I want to. I’m not a Jehovah’s Witness where I’m forcing something down your throat. It’s my opinion just as you have yours.
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Swampy dropped the mic.... Right into a Jehovah's Witness's face LMAO.
Those were your words early in this conversation. I simply felt they were a bit strong and it was a bit early into the conversation to dig your heels into the sand and declare that you're not moving.
Having a meaningful discussion about something doesn't necessarily mean you are arguing about it. That's part of our problem as a society these days. People can't seem to figure out how to have a discussion without it devolving into a shouting or name-calling match.
I like to baffle ppl and tell them I'm Pro Choice, and I choose Pro Life
I've always found this interesting....
The nomenclature "Pro-Choice", by its very nature, is misleading and lends itself to support of abortion legislation. Of course, we all want to have a choice what we do with our lives and our bodies. The very thought of taking away someone's ability to make a choice seems repulsive and oppressive. What kind of society takes away people's choices?? Except, of course, when that person is unborn and unable to speak for themselves. Then they get no choice. Sorry, unborn babies. Better luck next time.
I have become more liberal on a abortion. At one time I was solidly anti abortion. I now realize that I cant compel someone to make that kind of decision for their own life and body.
What you know, or what I know, or dont know is irrelevant. Pragmatism wins out for me. Women been making that choice one way or another since the dawn of mankind and no law is going to change that.
Okay, I did say that early on. Mainly because I assumed it was going to be hard nosed arguement with people strong arming their points of views. I stand corrected.
So wait, lol, are you implying that I'm part of the problem with society?
This conversation has only pushed me further into being pro-choice.
This it's the woman's body thing is such a cop out. If nature is left to it's course, that woman would give birth to a living breathing child. If that mother then chose to strangle that child moments after it left the womb, she would be charged and convicted of murder. Explain to me how there is a difference? Explain to me how, as a society we do not extend protection to the absolute most vulnerable?
We are held accountable for our choices in all other aspects of life. There are consequences for our actions, some of those consequences are inconvenient and hard, but many wonderful things have been born through those difficult struggles.
I was adopted and yet I’m pro choice. I’m also for the death penalty.
I guess I’m all over the map according to some people?
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