Political venting

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  1. CoveyMaster

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    So make constraints through law where a set of prerequisite circumstances have to be met before the abortion can be carried out. Police report fully done with a medical assessment. That will weed out the vast majority of fence sitters, contraceptive seekers and false reports while assisting law enforcement. I don't see it as a very complicated issue except the hard liners just don't want to make any exceptions on either side. If a woman is impregnated through rape or incest then those prerequisites shouldn't be too hard to accept and fulfill.

    I don't think there are any perfect solutions that will please everyone, it's a very sentimental issue on either side. My personal priorities are a baby's life takes precedent where a woman had a choice when she made herself accessible. When a woman has that choice removed and gets pregnant then I feel like some exception can be made.

    Obviously I also support abortion as an option when a woman's health is at risk as well. We have some limited power of life over death. We have capitol punishment in most states and I supported people's right to choose assisted suicide in terminal cases back in the day. I would even be open to support abortion in cases of early detected birth defects.

    I'll go so far as to say that I'd much prefer societal pressure against abortion than rule of law limiting it. What really disturbs me is that society as a whole accepts abortion to the point that we even have a need to debate the subject. I still recall a time not too long back when a single mother or a woman that had an abortion as a form of birth control was frowned upon by the public to the point that when it did happen, every attempt was made to keep it on the down low and avoided. As a whole, I dislike any laws limiting free choice, I agree some are needed but people have a tendency to try to control everything with a law or rule and before you know it life is too damn complicated to live.
     
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    I am anti abortion unless there was rape or physical danger to the mother, if we are going to have all the regular abortion let's just move the age limit to age 18 to pull some weeds. I know this is ludicrous but when I hear liberals protest the death penalty because the possibility that an innocent person will lose their life it makes me shake my head, I do not know a fetus that has committed a crime or done anything wrong but those innocent lives are lost.
     
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    POS Cuomo running for another term in NY and will win.


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    My point brother.... My point.
    With very very very very late term abortions we could rid ourselves of that asshat
     
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    Dont want an abortion, dont get one. Dont want a gun, dont buy one. Stay the hell out of people's lives and business.


    Republicans good, Democrats bad. Republicans bad, Democrats good.
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    Socialism, spending money you don't have on social programs.
    Capitalism, spending money you dont have on "defense " (insert any corporate lobby ).
     
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    Best internet reply ever.
     
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    I am anti abortion. I understand a woman to be of the “weaker” sex , @physically” , so rape or any sex involving her against her “will”, she’s free to make a choice.

    Any sex done with consent, she lives with the result. She’s an consenting individual, she’s responsible for her actions and where she puts her body. Take better care of yourself when you spread your legs and be responsible.

    The baby also belongs to the man’s seed. He should have some say too ? No ? What about the baby having a say ?

    Roe vs Wade is old technology. Science is such that it can detect a heartbeat. You abort a heartbeat and it’s not murder ? Really ?


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    I can't wait for live from the stand thread to start up.

    Between the Rant thread, joke of the day thread, @fletch920's thread and now this thread I don't know where to post anymore. :lol:
     
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    I'm 100%. 50/50 % on abortions.

    Which means it's a non issue with me. Let God sort it out.

    I DO know, I've meet way to many peeps I wish would have been aborted:violin:
     
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    I'm rarely all or nothing as a matter of policy; I'd see that as a reasonable compromise until such time the societal pressures override the legal policy.

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    I was about to hit -post- on this when I realized it's BS- exactly the same argument the L would use on "reasonable" gun control. Which is to say that there is no such thing.

    There is liberty or tyranny. Life or death.

    Not sorry, but yes I am am absolutist on Life. The only exception being the life of the mother (which is still the choice of life) and educated enough to know that there are very few conditions that warrant having to make that decision.

    I don't hate anyone who feels basically the same with caveats; I just think they are misguided or otherwise not in possession of a fully formed opinion. And man enough to admit I was both of those previously.

    Again, not that it matters much but I don't arrive at this position from a purely religious standpoint; but more of a scientific one. I can't differentiate between a life accidentally created (whether through malevolent actions or not) and one intentionally created - either one is happenstance and not in anyone's control. It's still a life.

    I was an accident. My parents weren't married when I was born (and didn't until I a few years after I was born.) My mother could easily have had an abortion and gone on with her life. She didn't. She planned to give me up for adoption but didn't. She eventually married my biological father and I've had and led a great life. 40+ years later so have my parents.

    I find it very hard to differentiate between my life and that of a baby conceived via rape. Yeah my mother chose to do the deed but not the consequence. Is my life to be valued less than that of a child who was conceived via intent? Is a baby conceived via non-consent less than me? Is there some sort of hierarchy of fetushood?
     
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    Which was quite common in the "boondocks" I happen to originate from. My mom was 6 month pregnant (with me) when she married. The same was true for most of my class mates. I'm happy abortion was not really an option at that time and place.
    Coincidentally, the Vegans are some of the most pro-abortion, live hating groups. Some of their YT figureheads are on record for their public baby-hate rants, and most of them had themself sterilized. But IMHO they could go further, and remove themselves from the world to make it a better place ...

    To paraphrase a famous poet here: "Happy slaves are the fiercest enemies of freedom."
    I know a lot of people who even refuse to realize their situation.
     
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    I fail to see any parallel in my argument and the left's argument for reasonable gun control...that seems a weird comparison to me.

    From my POV, you're conclusion is far closer to a form of tyranny. You have removed any semblance of freedom of choice and by further not excluding a pregnancy conceived from an act of tyranny, in my eyes you go one step further in support of it.

    That's fine, that's your opinion...it is what it is.....I just disagree with it.

    From my point of view it seems your argument is the one that is misguided or not well thought out or a fully formed opinion.

    Not to be crude and sorry if this statement is but...To me you're uncomfortably close to saying a guy jerking off or a woman on birth control is committing murder by choosing to waste sperm or not to conceive. I disagree, the choice to make an effort to conceive (or not to) is fairly easy to make. A woman being raped is robbing her of that choice and forcing her to endure 9 months of sacrifice and expense because of something that was probably completely out of her control.

    I was also an "accident". I don't see where that has any impact one way or another in this discussion. I wasn't the product of rape or whatever, just not "planned". Unplanned pregnancy is a long way away from conception from rape or incest in my mind. However if I had been the product of rape, I don't see my opinion changing in the least. I would see it as an admirable choice that I was not aborted but I'd still recognize the need and appreciate the fact the option was there for those less willing to accept an ill conceived pregnancy.

    In my mind yes, there is. We are all endowed with free will, when that is violated we have every right to seek justice and exceptions to the normal rules. For me, this is where a woman should have the right to impose her control over her own body and free will. Telling her she must carry a baby conceived from an act she had no choice in, to me, is almost as egregious as the rape itself.
    Whatever, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
     
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    Dear convey.. please don't use that font again it made my eyes hurt .
     
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    You mean the red color? A font is the style of the actual text. There is also no "N" in Covey, thanks. I can change the color.
     
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    Fat fingers my fault
    As for the red... It doesn't read that way in Mobile dark Screenshot_20190603-111349.jpeg
     
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    Few pregnancies are legitimate accidents. An accident implies the outcome was unforeseeable and unpreventable. The use of that term in the context of pregnancy is a ludicrous image. "Whups! I just spilled baby-batter in your bake oven."
     
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    Lol, yeah that's an irritating looking mess.
     
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    I was so pissed when they pulled that crap here in cali
     
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    Lol

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    Thats sad
     

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