Pitbulls

As much as agree with the first part of your post, this last part completely voids all credibility and is one of the reasons we are having this conversation about dogs vs owners.




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Isn't this what you said?


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Nope. Do my high powered rifles have their own brain? I know you're a smart man, you can do much better French.

 

Ummmmm, yes. Now how am I comparing humans to dogs?

 

Actually Dan you are missing my point. It is the people that control their dogs and guns. The guns and dogs are not in control.

I don't think you want to do away with cars and guns, etc. because of nut jobs and we should not get rid of certain dogs because of nut jobs.

Sure their are lots of stats on how bad pits are, but I would love to see stats on people that own them. It is very easy to see the stats with felons and guns, but not so easy with people and dogs.

At least try to see my point.

 

Maybe I'm missing your point because you're point is lacking severely. What you're trying to say is, a dog, like a gun, can't do anything unless it's master tells it what to do? So, a dog can't eat, sleep, walk, bark, piss, ****, fart or bite unless the owner pulls a trigger on it? You absolutely cannot compare the two. 100% impossible. At least try to see my point.

I believe I said we should license owners, not that they should be eliminated.

 

Fair enough. Just for the record I think I am right.

Is it October 1st yet? Good day gentlemen.

 

Perhaps I misunderstood. Note- I had read all of the posts when I said that.

I was under the assumption that you were stating that certain breeds of dogs and certain races of people were comparable because they have brains and can function and act on their own.

 

I figured you had to misunderstand. I wouldn't compare people to dogs because people have free will, while an animal needs to be trained or acts on instinct.

 

At least someone agrees with me.

 

So humans Learn, Dogs get trained.....same thing really.

Free will vs. instinct???

Lets see, Im a pit bull who has been neglected since birth, hardly fed, used for my bigger brothers to train on, oh and i even got my vocal cords removed...Now I'm walking down the street and a man is chasing me with a bat...How do I defend myself. Of course a dog would bite, why? Dogs obviously have no voice, So does that mean why care?

 

The root of the problem is that pit bulls don't just take a nip. Once they get started, they go for the kill. That's what they've been bred to do. I don't believe that people who own pit bulls have trained their dogs to kill kids. Those dogs have been bred to kill. Once something triggers that trait........

 

I think bad humans should be put down just like bad dogs

 

Can this be cited anywhere?

This is why they have a bad name lol

 

This is where I was getting caught up. Free will vs. Instinct. I believe a lot of the humans mentioned in the crime report that Chopayne posted are products of an environment which results in them being "trained" in their behavior rather than acting on free will.

 

I think this comment is greatly embellished (false, actually).

[h=2]Breeds of Dogs Involved in Fatal Human Attacks in the
United States Between 1979 and 1998[/h]A 2000 report issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reviewed a 20-year period to determine the types of dog breeds most responsible for U.S. dog bite fatalities.

• During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs were involved in 238 human dog bite related fatalities during the past 20 years. Pit bulls and rottweilers were involved in over half of these fatalities and from 1997 to 1998 were involved in 67%.

[h=2]Report: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006
to December 2008[/h]A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in a recent 3-year period. Pit bulls accounted for 59% followed by rottweilers with 14%.


[h=2]Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada,
September 1982 to December 31, 2013[/h]By compiling U.S. and Canadian press accounts between 1982 and 2013, Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, shows the breeds most responsible for serious injury and death.
The combination of molosser breeds, including pit bulls, curs, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, and their mixes, inflict:

While Pitbulls account for a good percentage of bites and fatalities, they are far from responsible for almost all fatalities.

 

I've been reading this thread, just reading, I won't state my opinion because it's already been said. But I have 2 questions regarding the direction this thread has gone:

1. Why are we comparing inanimate objects such as a gun to a living animal that can make decisions on it's own?
2. Why do we have people on this thread who would let their dog bite someone else because they don't agree with them?

 

Would the word conscience be better than free will?

It's obvious that a lot of you are attached to your animals. But, to me, that's all they are.....animals.

 

Anytime a thread like this gets started, some will come up with stories about some Lab which is the terror of the neighborhood. Yet any time you read about a dog killing a child, 13 out of 14 times, it will be a pit bull. And that other time, it won't be a Lab.

C'mon guys, we're hunters here, most of us. We're the kind of people who should be more aware than most that the different breeds of dogs have been bred for certain characteristics. Ever see a Brittany in the back of a police car? No, and you ain't gonna either.