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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by BJE80, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. chopayne

    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Dogs do what they're told. Guns shoot where pointed. Dogs can be used to kill as can guns. It's all about who is behind the Gun or dog.
     
  2. Dan

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    Owners of certain breeds should be licensed. Not the dogs licensed, the owners. When in public, that license should be properly displayed on the animal, like a license plate on a vehicle. Every dog owner should be held responsible for the actions of their animal, for they are the ones who decided to own them.
     
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    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    I don't get your analogy. You're saying you throw a ball at a lab and he'll fetch. You're saying a pit I'll will be aggressive and bite a person out of instinct? Be clearer.
     
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    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    We regulate all lions and all tigers. Dogs should all be regulated they're all canines.
     
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    No.6Hunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Because its a 80 lb dog not a 700 lb killing machine?!?!

    pretty sure lions and tigers arent domesticated
     
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    Right, mixes of pitbull variety. And Rotts.

    So, your point?
     
  7. chopayne

    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    I don't agree on the license being shown. But I agree that owners should be held responsible.

    As for licensing , do you really think licensing will help? Hunters ed sure didn't help me, the way they teach you to cross a fence is ludicrous.
     
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    BukFvr21 Die Hard Bowhunter

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    It's the owners the dogs don't no any better. I love pitbulls and haven't had a bad experience with one. They can be very sweet and loving. The media makes them something they are not. Chihuahuas are mean aw snakes and very protective but because I they weigh 5 pounds no one cares. Pitbulls are hunting dogs so naturally they have a hunting instinct so in a bad house bad owners bring out the worse in them. Same goes for children. If you raise your kid like he/she is an object instead of a person you can't expect them to turn out with any flaws.
     
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    Dude, you're seriously grasping at straws. Some who compares humans to dogs absolutely cannot be taken seriously and quite frankly, it's pretty demented.
     
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    No.6Hunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    My point is why target just pits when you could find a poodle/chihuahua with just as much aggression if not more?
     
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    BJE80 Legendary Woodsman

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    Hunters Ed doesn't help? Now I've heard it all.
     
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    You no longer can be taken seriously.
     
  13. Cablebob

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    I own a pure bred Doberman. Before I bought Odin, I was considering an American Staffordshire Terrier. The term "pitt bull" is not a breed but a style of dog. The American Bull Dog (AST), is an extremely loyal companion and guard dog. They can be the sweetest dogs in the world to their owners, but will defend them with the force of ten thousand fat chicks falling down at the same time. These dogs MUST have an ALPHA owner and should never be owned by someone who can't control them in every situation. That being said, the breed is not "mean", it is a breed that will be quick to violence in defense of their owners and property. Anything the "pitt bull" deems a threat will be attacked without hesitation.

    They are a strong dog type that needs a hard nosed owner. If you are used to labs, you can't handle a pittbull.

    The reason I went with a Doberman was due to the fact that dobermans are responsible for less bites than Pitts, GSD's, and Rots. Over 80% of Doberman bites were in defense of their owners and they still list below these other breeds.

    You wanna talk about misunderstood breeds. Read about Dobermans. They are the most misunderstood breed alive IMO.

    As far as small dogs go, they are actually responsible for many of the bites in dog breeds. However due to the inability to inflict large amounts of damage. Most of these bites go unreported.
     
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    Technically where I live you have to register your dog every 3 years, and that license is a rabies tag with an ID.

    Other states not have this?
     
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    That is exactly what I meant
     
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    Oh right. It's OK to use pure statistics on dogs, yet we can't extrapolate to humans or guns. It's plain stupid and demented to ignore that dogs are controlled by their owner. God damn. I'm out. When it's things you guys believe in, it's OK to use those stats. Oh but wait when you guys disagree, hell no that's outrageous.
     
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    How many deaths are attributed to the "friendly" breeds? All combined they don't make up a fraction of what pits are responsible for. You are making a great case against the ownership of pit varieties.
     
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    Because when a dog the size of possum gets pissy, you can stomp on its head.
     
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    Like owning a gun, choosing to own a pit bull comes with added responsibility. Not everyone can handle it. Pits have an innate strong prey and attack drive. You can train them to sharpen and react to that instinct, or train them to mitigate that instinct, but they will always have it. Couple that with their strength (especially jaws) and you have a loaded weapon on 4 legs. But just as I have objections to having to get government's permission or passing a test to own a gun, I would object to restrictions/bans on the breed.

    I've been around some pits that were sweet as could be, but I'd never leave a kid or another animal alone with one, and certainly wouldn't let one roam unleashed or outside of a fence. It's not the dog's fault- they were bred to express certain behaviors and traits and you can't fully expect the dog to ignore nature forever. And I fully support strict punishments for dog owners proven negligent when/if an unprovoked attack occurs.

    There's a couple in Michigan (any real information regarding the owners is scrubbed from this story, but they are illegal aliens, BTW... I have read that in other news sources) whose Cane Corso killed a full-grown man in Michigan a short time back. According to the article, the dog had a history of attacks.

    If the facts as reported are true, the owners should be tried and sentenced for manslaughter, then immediately deported upon completion of their sentences.

    1 of the exotic dogs that killed Livonia man attacked woman in 2012 | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
     
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    Lions and tigers are not canines lol
     

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