The dogs created the conflict... I swiftly ended it. A short conflict with the owners ensued, also didn't last long.
Ya, real blind lol We should wipe out an entire breed of dog thats the way to do it! And at least the "Blind" use multiple ways to resolve and issue, not just killing.
Wait a minute..... are the pit owners now fighting? Maybe its not the dogs after all, it really IS the violent, aggressive owners to blame!! :D
I am curious how many Labs your buddy has had to shoot in line of duty. There are over twice the number of labs compared to pitbulls, so statistically, if a dog is a dog, he would have killed over four labs during same timeframe, but I am gonna go out on a limb snd guess the answer is zero.
I hit the reply button and then realized the above statement is probably an idiotic assumption on my part...mean ole labs...
How on earth do being an ethical hunter and understanding the inherent issues with the pit variety breed have a single thing to do with one another. You have eliminated any sound logic from your position on that one. I'm sure there are plenty of poachers and even an occasional cat lover that would also lobby for strict control or even the extinction of the pit breed. There might even be a stripper or two that hate pitbulls. It does not mean that their background or strength and/or weakness in ethics have one single thing to do with their logic. Denial is ignoring glaring statistics that point to a specific breed for causing an overwhelming majority of human deaths and maulings in our country from canines. Please don't confuse that with African cats. I'm talking specifically about the pit variety of puppy dog. By the way, I don't play golf in a lightning storm either. Statistically, it just isn't good for your game.
We should be thankful that pitbulls don't take to training well or they could really be dangerous, Goldens are highly intelligent and quick learners, this one awaits to pounce upon a careless child where he has seen them lurking before, a true predator to fear.
Fletch I promise to you and everyone this is my last post on this thread. The full link was provided, but here is the info as found: 1.) About 40 people (children) per year die by drowning in 5-gallon water pails. A person, during their lifetime, is 16 times more likely to drown in a 5-gallon water pail than to be killed by a Pit Bull. 2.) Approximately 50 children in the US are killed every year by their cribs - 25 times the number of children and adults killed by Pit Bulls. 3.) Approximately 150 people are killed every year by falling coconuts. Therefore, you are more than 60 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by a PALM TREE than a Pit Bull. 4.) Each year, 350 people drown in their bathtubs. You are 151 times more likely to be killed by your bathtub than you are by a Pit Bull. 5) Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect. A child is more than 800 times more likely to be killed by their caretaker than by a Pit Bull. 6) It can be estimated that for every Pit Bull who kills, there are 10.5 MILLION that DON'T!
Pits, Rots and German Shepherds can be vicious, as other breeds can as well. Those dogs were breed for a purpose. They can be trained but you can't alter genetics. I work around police german shepherds. I know a lot of K-9 handlers. Most of their dogs are nice and I can pet them but given a command, they would rip my arm off. They are trained, and genetically programed, to recognize a threat. The problem is the owner doesn't always know when this perceived threat will arise. My step dad had a Queensland Heeler. It had a pecking order and would nip you in the foot to try and herd you in the right direction if my step dad was around, trying to show the master he was working. He nipped me, I punched him in the head. 5 minutes later he wanted me to throw his toy football for him and everything was good. Turned out to be a great dog and we never had the problem again. The point is when genetics come into play, instinct becomes everything. No one knows exactly when that will happen. Owners need to be very careful with these breeds and most are not. As the saying goes, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". We wouldn't have this saying if it didn't happen.
One glaring thing I notice with some of the pit owners I know is they all say their dog is loving, caring, great around kids, etc. an for the most part I believe that and I believe animals in general are products of their enviornment. Good enviornment = good animal. But what many(not all) never seem to acknowledge is the fact that pits are capable of inflicting so much damage so quickly, they are built for it. So even though they can go through years with no incident you can't assume it will never happen and the fact that it could and when/and if it did it could be extremely dangerous to me requires a very attentive kind of dog owner. ftr There are several breeds I feel this way about. I would like to see stats that show of the pit/pit mix attacks on record how many were strays. The pound is full of pits and pit mixes which unfortunately leads me to think there are a lot of crappy pit owners out there for a dog that requires the exact opposite.
So two simple thoughts here. 1. All domestic dogs should be properly handled and trained by owners, its the owners responsibility period end of story. Dip **** dog owners should not own pit bulls, but this is America folks like it or not you can own a pit bull, or poodle. 2. A dog bite from a poodle obviously has a less of an impact physically. Mentally well that depends on the person. And so yes a dog bit from a large dog such as a pit bull for example has the ability to be bad. Not much you can do about a loose dog that attacks you, or your child, and that just plain sucks. Situational awareness around strange dogs such as large aggressive breeds is a must. I own two dobermans. for one reason and one reason only. Security period. I do not socialize my dogs with strangers, and I do not let them run around my kids friends as if they were unicorns. I put them away until all the strangers are gone. They are like weapons on four legs. I use the analogy of leaving a loaded gun laying around the house, its the same thing in my opinion. Not all dogs are alike, nor created equal, and not all dogs are vicious killers no matter the breed. Ignorance, and ****ty dog owners is the number one problem when it comes to dogs like that. :
I agree completely. I own two pit bulls. I socialized them, it makes easier to go the vet for annual check up. They love kids. I would not feel sorry for the who thinks they can break my house. My dogs would rip them a new hole to crap out of. I couldn't ask for better dogs. Sent from my KFTHWI using Tapatalk
I've wondered why, given the reputation, someone would keep a pit bull, when there are so many breeds of dog to choose from. I mean, there are a LOT of different kinds of dog, if you want a dog. I know why some of the guys in our neighborhood have pit bulls. It's a kind of a macho thing. But I'm still wondering about the ordinary people, like those on this forum. Of course maybe some of the posters here are just like the guys in our neighborhood. (I'll stop there.) But drakehuntress gave me a clue. Security? Well, I don't know. At first glance, that seems to make sense, but there's a problem. I know, and you know, what is or is not a threat to us or our family members. But I don't think you can trust a dog to have that degree of discretion. Take the example from the link that Christine posted. We had a pit bull in the house with a toddler. To protect the toddler? Maybe. Well it never harmed the toddler. Did a great job of protecting the toddler. Killed grandma. Right in front of the toddler. Made sure that grandma wasn't going to harm that toddler. But instead of being praised and given a treat for a job well done, the poor dog has been hauled off, locked up, and may be snuffed just for doing what it's owner expected it to do, protect that toddler. Different breeds of dog have been bred for a purpose. Retrievers have to be able to get along in a group of guys and their dogs and retrieve birds when called upon to do so. Pomeranians have been bred to dust under furniture, etc. Pit bulls have been bred to be killing machines. Now they may hang out with the family for years and even pass on without ever causing a problem, remembered as that loving family pet. But throw that switch and someone, like grandma, is likely to die or be seriously injured. The pit bull is just doing its job. It doesn't have the capacity to think about whether it is or is not over reacting. It's the owner who has to do the thinking. And the owner should be thinking that, "I don't want an animal around who can't distinguish a real threat from grandma."
Just found this thread, so sorry if i'm getting ready to reiterate what might be already known. Also I didn't take the time to read through 16 pages, so don't know whats been said or common thought Is it a bad breed or is it bad owners? Bad owners Is it media sensationalizing it that they report pitbull attacks and not other breeds? Possibly but I would say still the majority of attacks, as reported, are from pitbulls. But it's not because the dogs can't be trained...it's because the owners do not know how to train them Do you support breed specific bans in communities? I do not support nor condone it. If it's a majority community decision then so be it. But it should not be applied to all areas. Would you consider owning a pitbull dog? Yes, my family does. My uncle breeds and trains them. Do you think the breed should be eliminated? No, the only thing that needs eliminating is the idea of controlling which is bad and which is not. A famous sermon was preached the other Sunday on the idea of what's BAD. (now obviously this didn't have anything to do with dogs but bare with me for a second). The guy proceeded to tell a story of him as a boy, he was helping a farmer one summer and the farmer gave him odd jobs around the farm to earn his keep. On this particular day the farmer said, "I want you to take out the biggest chickens in the barn and put them in a cage so I can take them to market." So the boy proceeded. He went in a first time and rounded up all of the biggest chickens and put them in a cage, then went back in and thought, well there's still chickens bigger than the others, so he put those chickens in the cage. He proceeded back into the barn and saw, there is still big chickens in this barn, he said, well they're not as big as the ones in the cage but they sure are bigger than the others in the barn. So he put those in the cage. After a while he noticed that there were no more chickens in the barn. Pitbull's are extremely intelligent dogs. They can be trained correctly and the can obey as good if not better than Labradors, Goldens and German Shepherds. Obviously my opinion comes from growing up around them being properly trained. They can be trained to obey and protect just as easy as they can be trained to fight.
