Agreed the ban should be lifted, he never bet against his own team and it almost seems like a harsh example was set showing the commissioner wouldn't stand for it
There is no proof that he did not bet against his team to lose. All we have is his word, which has proven to be worthless. That being said, there's no direct evidence he did....this is why I say allow him on the HOF ballot, but ban him from active MLB participation.
You really believe he never bet on his own team, I have a gambler for a father, he bet on the reds, guaranteed.
He did bet on his own team. But only to win, no one has ever been able to prove anything to the contrary from what I have seen on the subject.
I really see nothing wrong with that. What's it going to do, make them try harder to win? Lol If anything ever came out about him betting against his team I'd think completely different about it. I just think that there are dopers, womanizers, and absolute thugs in the HOF already... To keep Rose out for this is a shame.
The most hits in the history of baseball (4,256), 3 world series, 3 batting titles, 2 gold gloves, 17 all star games? I think he should be escorted to the hall of fame. I'm all for protecting the game. But the cardinal rule in baseball to me doesn't make a lot of sense. Gambling? I think people make too much of it because it's known to be taboo in the baseball world. But really is it that big of a deal? He bet on some games. I'm not saying it was right and was a real bad decision for the position he was in. But I think it's a little extreme to kick a guy to the curb that has a resume like that because he bet some games. Not like he influenced the history of the game, tarnished records, negative impact on the sport, or anything like that.
Pete Rose pissed off the establishment in baseball, that's why he was kicked out. Gambling or worse, betting from the dugout was just the reason it all came down. But I agree with most, his numbers alone should get him In.
Rose knew the consequences but did it anyway... Rule 21(d): Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible. The commissioner at the time they banned Rose says there was evidence of him also betting during his playing days.
If he was betting on the Reds - No problem. If he was betting against the Reds - Problem. Like many have already said, others have done worse and are in the HOF. IMO his penalty was a result of the World Series scandal of 1919.
And that is exactly the problem. He can control how much they win by, therefore, creating a dangerous situation with Vegas. We all know how dangerous shaving points in basketball is.
I agree with Iowa Veteran. The severity of Rose's punishment is likely related to the "Black Sox" scandal. I think it has been determined that it will never happen again. Although he was way before my time, he was obviously a great player. But even as a compulsive gambler, he could have avoided gambling on baseball. The rule is pretty clear. But on the other hand. Does that rule make him ineligible for the Hall of Fame?
No...his penalty was based on this: Rule 21(d): Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
