I know where he is coming from... but in my experience it is that too early push that usually causes the problem more than the lung hit. I used to have a tracking lab... I got calls frequently. In almost every case... after the deer had been immediately pushed, jumped, pushed, jumped... "oh, we ran out of blood. Lets get help. "
I read it all. You mentioned it as being a heart shot or perfect hit location. It is not, unless you are sitting level with the deer on the ground. Heart shot would obviously take an entrance location a few inches higher than that. Just didn't want you or anyone else to think that this shot was a heart shot from an elevated stand. Its a great example of what some guys don't understand about elevated shot angles. That's why I recommended pushing arrows clear through a 3-D target so you can see just how high the entrance really needs to be to catch both lungs from 25' up.
Math check please? Based on the tree stand elevation of 25 feet and shot distance of 60 feet, the arrow traveled at a 24 degree declination.
I read this whole thing several times. I'm with Fletch. The shot looks too low to be the perfect "pocket" shot in the heart. Especially when elevated in a tree stand.
Reconstruction of the hit based on 24 deg angle at broadside using a large Tinks decoy. X indicates the approximate impact point. A triangle was constructed and scaled to inches. A bevel square was used to determine the angle of declination. In placing the X, allowances were made for the fact that the deer in the original "entrance wound" pic was already gutted, and therefore lacking the typical sagging belly. Pics also show the apparatus used in the reconstruction.
Qick question, sure it isn't 66°? Seems to me your coming off the wrong 90. And where did 24° come from? Im getting 22.6° for 25'. Which is more like 30' to the bow which equates to 26.5° . But in either case, ,dont you need to subtract from 90 to be on the right angle? Only on the internet. Lol Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
You're correct, you're coming off the ground. I was coming off the deer. Lol Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
To answer a few questions The entrance hole is the one pictured. the use of "perfect" was with a grain of salt, insinuating the often heard "perfect behind the shoulder" all inclusive description that people use when describing thier shot. Especially when not finding the deer to confirm. And I still maintain, that for most guys, they would see that pic and think is a "perfect" killing shot. And I did my own triangle calcs too, thinking the angle might have been steeper entering the deer, but it really wasnt. At 26' & 18 yds I came up with 25.7 degrees. My rope is 18 ft to bottom of my platform. I was slightly up hill (5') from the deer, plus 3' for me standing gives me 26'
I figured that would happen but I didn't want to edit. Also,I thought maybe you had figured in parallax into your equation which would have been a little over the top for this discussion. :what: Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
You guys are using a completely flat line right? Would not the trajectory of the arrow starting to drop add a few degrees? Maybe at that distance it is negligible, but a little can make a difference. Rybo, you mentioned that the shot defied anatomical logic and mentioned it as a good example of a "void". I think we were just pointing out that the result it is to be expected from that shot angle. The heart is in the middle of the deer, and the shot angle must account for that. No reason to be upset.
