I have been watching the seasons here on bowhunting.com and I must first say they are awesome! But my question is that while watching them, why am I not seeing pass throughs? I see most people are shooting the NAP expandable broad heads, and I do see most shots are like 20 yards (+/-) but it seems a lot of arrows are not going through the deer. Is this common for the NAP broad heads? I shoot expandable and have had pass throughs at 20 yards but I shoot between 72-74lbs with carbon express arrows. Is is it the broad heads that are making the arrows not go through or is it low poundage? Most of the shots I have seen are not hitting shoulder blades or anything. Most look like ribs and all. Just curious as to everyone's opinion. I have also seen some bad arrow placement very often as well.
I think a lot of the non passthroughs are a combination of the extreme angle on a 2" mechanical blade and arrows on the "light" end. Poundage does play a role but arrow weight and low mechanical advantage account for most of it. In the past 4 years I've shot 3 deer with killzones and recovered all three. No exit on any of them. Thats a compound at 62lbs and 415 grain arrow. I've killed 2 with my longbow in that same time period 50lbs and 575 grain arrow with 2 blade cut on contact head. I've found my arrow stuck in the ground both times.
Interesting. Im shooting 400 grain arrows and 100 grain expandable broadheads that are 3 blade and I have passed through at 15 - 20 yards from a 20 foot tree stand. Maybe it's just the 2 blade design on the broad head. I do see they make a huge hole.
I killed two deer last year with KillZones and got pass-thru's on both of them. Neither was shot at a steep angle. The buck I shot went about 40yds and went down and had the most blood I've ever seen on a bow-shot animal. The doe I shot went about 20yds. I shoot 65lbs. Blessings.........Pastorjim
I'm referring to the blade angle being very wide...not the steepness of the shot. It takes a lot of energy to chop through entrance ribs with a 2" 2 blade with such a wide angle. In all fairness, I hit the offside shoulder on 2 of my shots. The blade that sheared off on entrance ribs is why I went back to cut on contact heads.
pass throughs were were commom up untill expandables came about.. no other way around it. fixed blades penatrate farther all else being equal.
Yeah it seems like a lot of the BHOD crew uses light arrows and large mechanicals. Not a great recipe for pass throughs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Knowing absolutely nothing about the BHOD set-ups, I'll tell you that arrow momentum and penetration is extremely important. You obtain this by sacrificing speed and using a heavier, slower arrow. Would it be easier to stop a finish nail at 400 FPS or a railroad spike at 300 FPS? I'm not saying use an 800 grain arrow, but a hunting arrow should be much on the heavier side, especially with mechanicals. The projectile tip will also play a role and mechanicals not only use up energy on entrance, but their width makes it more difficult to penetrate as far.
IMO lack of penetration is from to light of arrow (at any poundage but especially at low poundage), large diameter BH and poor shot placement. I shot lots of deer with NAP Spitfires and the only one I did get a complete pass through I hit the scapula going in. But the Spitfire did stick out the other scapula an inch.
I knew we had this same discussion last year. Here's the thread - http://forums.bowhunting.com/showthread.php/68369-killzone-users?highlight=killzone+pass+through Personally I'm shooting a 500-ish grain arrow with a Spitfire Maxx on it. If my mulie wasn't laying on a rock the arrow would've passed through all the way through. As it stood it buried up to the fletchings and then poked back out the entry as he ran away. I agree with the first two items, but not necessarily the third unless you're trying to push one through the shoulder blade.
Does not getting a complete pass-through worry you guys? I mean really as long as the arrow penetrates both sides does it really matter? And if if it doesn't that massive broad head rattling around in the cavity is brutal. I'd almost rather the animal take the arrow with it if I am using lighted nocks. The animal absorbing 100% of the kinetic energy isn't a bad thing is it?
a pass trru with a small head trumps a 1 in-no out big head every time I.M.H.O. makes me sick watching hunting shows and watching guys shooting does with mech's and not getting pass thru's i 100% don't see why a regular whitetail treestand hunter feels the need to shoot Mech's.
Most definitely...if I fail to get a pass through I want it stuck in them causing carnage...however for tracking sake I will always prefer a blow through. One hole only can have bad blood trail producing results...not always but can.
Pass thrus are important because if youre shooting from a stand (at an angle) then your entry hole will be high on the deer and there wont be a low exit hole. That means that the deer can end up running pretty far before the blood fills up in the lungs enough the start pouring out and onto the ground. Seen it happen to me.
