Well... I think we saw how this played out didn't we?! With the Russian plane being taken down by an ISIS planted bomb killing over 100 Russians. Further more proof that diplomacy will not control these radicals and neither will a blow torch. When will the President of the United States of America step up and do something!?!? Quit talking and do something. Yet I live in a country in which the same President who doesn't want to protect christianity wants to unarm law abiding citizens and continuously point the finger at the NRA. Ugly.
While I agree we should strike against ISIS hard... I think many people don't understand the dynamics of the situation over there (I sure as heck don't fully either). Give the country to WHO exactly? This video explains how big of a mess it is and why there are no good solutions. It isn't like it's a unified place that is being oppressed by ISIS... It's torn in 15 directions and ISIS happened to come out on top in one region currently.
You guys are all quick to send someone else's kid into war, if it was your kid would you send them? Putin seems to want to handle this, I am all game to let him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
FYI it looks like the ring leader was from Belgium, that's my issue with boots on the ground in Syria. Our attackers are not going to come from Syria, they are going to come from within these boarders.
The Bible has stories of hateful and horrible things that happened, but the difference is as I have mentioned in previous posts, IT DOESN'T TEACH CHRISTIANS TO DO THOSE THINGS. The Koran is telling it's followers to commit murder, pedophilia, and condoning those things. There is a big difference in telling a story about what happened and teaching/condoning it. Are you saying a history book that talks about the Lincoln assassination means it is teaching and condoning assassination of politicians? No. So your statement doesn't match the major differences of Christianity/Bible and Islam/Koran. I have read parts of the Koran, and it disgusted me. Ideology is ideology, whether it is "protected" by some nonsense religion like Islam means nothing to me. I heard it straight from a former Muslim who chose to leave it because of how contradictory and crazy it was. I'm fine with my opinion, yours may end up getting you killed. If you want them in your state, good luck.
You fight them where ever they are. Don't need to roll in like it was WWII. But we need boots on the ground o take them out. We also work with other countries if we have intelligence of agents being there. And yes I would have no problem with my children serving and defending the country. As I did when I volunteered to be in the military. When you join the military you do so knowing you might have to fight and you do so willingly. Is also have no problem if they became doctors and wanted to go and risk themselves volunteering to help people either. I would be proud of them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It saddens me to read that people equate someone killing in the name of their religion even though their religion doesn't teach or condone it to someone killing in the name their "religion" that does teach and condone it. Those are very very different things. No wonder people don't get it.
Are you willing to send your kid or yourself over to Syria? I can say for Afgan I was willing and supported our President. I can say today I support our President in NOT sending our boys to that mess, its a no win situation for us, because we are not willing to wipe them out. Putin is willing and will, let him.
I'm too lazy to go read the Koran. If you could link me to the passages that directly state that they need to kill I would gladly read and research.
Who doesn't want to wipe them out? Obama doesn't? I sure as hell do, most Americans do and our military members do. The only no win is doing nothing. ISIS or their like can never be completely wiped out. But we sure as hell can knock them back into their caves and minimize their ability to strike us or any other country. And again. Absolutely I would go but I would never be allowed due to my age and physical/medical condition. I was over there during the first Iraq war. And if my children wanted to volunteer as I did I would be proud of them but it wouldn't change my opinion on what we should be doing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." 47:3-4 "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet, those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them. But, in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." 61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" 9:14 "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." 9:30 "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" From the Hadith: Bukhari 52:177 Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." Abu Dawud 14:2526 Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal Bukhari 8:387 Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally." There's dozens more, those are just the easy ones.
While it is ignorant to think all Muslims want to kill us, it is equally ignorant to think that only ".003%" commit acts of terror. .003% of 1.5bil is 45,000. You're an idiot if you think there are only 45,000 active jihadis in the world. There are more than that just in Iraq and Syria. As of Nov 2014, IS alone (not AQ, Taliban, BH, etc) was estimated by Russian Intelligence to have over 70,000 active soldiers in the field. That's openly serving soldiers; not clandestine operatives living among us. With more joining everyday. Most defense publications put the figure closer to 100,000. For every IS soldier in the field, there are at least another 3 serving behind the scenes in finance, logistics, admin, etc. And that's just IS. So if the acceptable figure 100,000 IS soldiers is used, that means IS ALONE is comprised of at least 400,000 individuals... Not to mention, acts of terror are not limited to stabbing random people at a bus stop or shooting up a concert hall. It includes the planning, financing, preaching, recruiting, trainers, harborers, sympathizes, and those just turning a blind eye. Every single Muslim who engages in those activities is just as culpable as the guy who pulls the trigger. Look at public opinion polls from the Muslim community? From the Pew Research Center (2013) : 8% of the US Muslim population believed that violence against civilians in defense of Islam is "often or sometimes" justified 40% of Muslims in Afghanistan and the Palestinian Territories say that violence against civilian targets in defense of Islam is "often or sometimes" justified. So...yeah. I'll be Christmas shopping online this year and CCing everywhere I go. I now see CC as a duty, not a right.
Until you have actually read the quran, you can not come to the conclusion weather or not it promotes or condones violence. I could easily bring out bible passages that could suggest that the bible promotes violence as well. Its all just regurgitated information in your post unfortunately.
You realize you can't wipe them out? A 10 plus year war in IRAQ didn't do it, now you want to put our troops in Syria for Iraq version 2.0? Honestly I don't get it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
There will always be tension and fighting in that part of the world. It was a mistake that the US was involved for so long there.
Guess what, become energy independent and that part of the world does not matter. Open the pipeline mr president Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Can't argue with those facts. I'm still not going to live my life in fear over them. Just not going to happen. "8% of the US Muslim population believed that violence against civilians in defense of Islam is "often or sometimes" justified" - They can believe that all they want. But the vast majority do not believe that and I believe they shouldn't automatically be thrown into the "terrorist" group. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I can't comment on this as I haven't read the bible... But a quick Google search turned up some things.
