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Paper Tune

Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by Countryboy95, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. Countryboy95

    Countryboy95 Weekend Warrior

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    Whats the point/benefit to paper tuning a whisker biscuit?
     
  2. brucelanthier

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    The benefit to tuning any bow/arrow is maximum energy transfer, maximum efficiency (for that setup) and maximum forgiveness on the shot.
     
  3. KodiakArcher

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    It's not a matter of "papertuning", it's a matter of "tuning" and there's a lot of ways to establish a good tune on your bow, none of them are rest specific. I don't even bother with papertuning myself but everyone's circumstances, resources and abilities are different which has an impact on how they tune.
     
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    Okay, maybe I don't understand the question, but paper tuning allows you to determine if your arrow flight is true, not fish-tailing or porpousing. Each can effect your arrow flight, especialy for your longer shots. If the arrow is doing either the the paper cut wont be clean.
     
  5. Kanga

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    It's a good starting point in the tuning sequence.

    Altho I am like Rob I dont paper tune.
     
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    I tried paper tuning once , got stressed out and went for a drink instead . As long as my arrow looks to be going straight , i'm good to go .
     
  7. Countryboy95

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    Thanks for the help guys, but are there any other ways to tune a bow besides the rest? This year since I have plenty of time to get ready I want to fine tune my bow. So what are some other ways to tune a bow?
     
  8. brucelanthier

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    If you don't want to move the rest from centershot then you can achieve a proper tune by adjusting arrow configuration (length, tip weight, rear weight) and/or you can adjust DW (the real benefit of a compound bow). I typically get the arrow configuration close, usually with a slightly long shaft and then adjust DW from there. The slightly long shaft ensures that, for the smallest tip weight I won't run out of highend DW and for higher tip weights I can just adjust DW down. If I ever needed to have high tip weight and higher DW I can just trim some length from the shaft.
     
  9. GMMAT

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    CB....

    I used to be in the same camp as Kodiak and Kanga. I didn't see the point of paper tuning. I'm not saying they're wrong and I'm right (in the least). What I've found is...."I" am not good enough at this to discern what I need to.......only bare shaft and BH tuning.

    I got my arrows bare shaft tuned REALLY quickly on my rig. When I screwed on the large, fixed heads.....I had a POI differential.....although my flight characteristics seemed perfect. I was baffled, and I had only a little time before my season started.

    I have a huge blank bale in my bldg.....and I asked a friend (who is an analytical mind; a trad. bowyer and a tuning guru) to help me. We set up a paper tuning station, and went through the process. I was blown away.

    I made a TWENTY FIVE grain decrease in tip weight.....and lowered my nocking point, during this exercise. There's no way you could have convinced me I was 25gr. "off" in tip weight. But, I was. Could I have been somewhere in between 0-25gr.....and kept my same (or close) nocking point? Maybe. That would have been (I have no reservations saying) "good enough" for targets. I won a tournament or two with that tuning. Was it good enough for hunting? No.

    I've got a new bow coming in March. I'm marrying up the new riser with the existing limbs I have. I'll use my current riser with the new limbs. So, I'll have to tune 2 bows, starting from scratch. Will I paper tune the two? Not initially. Bare shaft tuning will get me "close enough" for targets/3D. Will I go through the paper tuning process, prior to hunting? You bet. Just where "I" am in my journey.

    Good luck to you. I don't see anything negative coming from the process. And, if I shot a compound, I'd listen (and maybe even write down....lol) anything Bruce told me. He's the only compound archer I know of that's willing to adjust draw weight to achieve tune. That tells me he's serious about his craft.....and uninterested in pegging the chrono. That's either a lost art.....or an abandoned one.
     
  10. Vabowman

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    I shoot thru paper and make adjustments usually to the rest, I use a QAD...I make sure Im spined correctly with my arrows first and foremost and that my arrows are straight. I then get the bullet hole at a close distance of about 5 yds...then I back up to 15, then 20. if I get bullet holes there I then shoot my field points and BH together and if they hit the same point of impact out to 35-40 yds and they look like they are flying straight, Im done. Now if I go to the pro shop it's walk back tuning for me, but I have no clue as to what Im doing...they do and that's why I let them help me...however, paper tuning is a good way to tune in my opinion..sometimes I believe people can over do the tuning thing....I just read about this thought in bobby worthington's " Bowhunting Trophy Whitetails"....
     
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    It seems to me that the only constant in tuning is there aren't any. ;)
     
  12. GMMAT

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    I disagree. BUT....it seems the "invariables" are ones that most don't want to accept.
     
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    I was being more sarcastic than anything. But I will say that there are a lot of different opinions which makes it tough for a newbie to decipher and decide which method is the best for him to try first.

    Edit: Also the "invariables" is what makes it tough not knowing what is a constant and what is not. What to adjust and what to leave your hands off of. Its like playing Dr.Gregory House on a bow.
     
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    I can see that. But it's just like anything else. You have to know the expertise level of the folks you're soliciting advice from, and weigh them accordingly.

    I'll say it again......if you're looking to set up a compound bow. PM Bruce, and get out your pen/paper.
     
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    It's kind of funny you say this. Right now as I type this there is a thread on the "other" site where a guy is offering tunning advice saying, (paraphrased) "the most important thing you can do when tuning is to make sure you line up your fletchings to the blades on your BH's". :D

    So yeah, taking the advice with a grain of salt is critical to ANY public forum.
     
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    Yeah. ANY arrow of ANY length with ANY weight tip shot from ANY draw weight will fly true......if you align your fletchings with your BH's?

    Gotta say.....I'd scroll down to the next poster if I read that one, too......lol.
     
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    I thinks thats the thread I was involved in:p

    Got accused of picking on the guy who is a league shooter:D

    He also said in another thread that a 500 spine arrow was fine for a 70lb X-Force:rolleyes:

    I have given up on him as he knows way more than I do:eek: well according to him he does:D
     
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    Bingo... Same thread. :)
     
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    I guess I am one of those that can over do the tuning thing. IMO, you can learn so much about how thw bow and arrow work together by tuning, untuning and retuning, tuning to different arrow configurations and just going through the steps even after the setup is tuned. If all a person wants to do is kill deer with a bow and arrow they can BH tune and move the rest to get there. If you want to understand your weapon and how to get the best performance from it and, subsequently, your own shooting, then over doing the tuning thing can really help. One enormous side benefit of over doing the tuning thing is the huge amount of confidence you have in your equipment. During the season, if I haven't shot for a few days and I go out and shoot one arrow from 40 yds and it hits 3 inches to the right I know it was the shooter and not the equipment ;) . For me, that kind of confidence in my gear is worth over doing the tuning thing :D.
     
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    I agree. Im saying that for the average bowhunter looking to hunt here on the east coast and the distances that we typically shoot at deer..4-20 yds , just simply adjusting the rest a bit and shooting bullet holes will be enough for those purposes..with that said, if one has the time and the understanding of how you tune Bruce, it can only be a positive thing for them..as for what Bobby Worthington was saying, people put too much emphasis on certain aspects of tuning...most guys just want their arrow to hit where they aim...I at least like my arrows to fly true and have good spin...so far I have achieved this with all my set ups as of late..but Im sure I could tinker with it and even get it shooting better, and I will this spring when I change strings and cables....enough about me, if you want tuning advice, Bruce is the guy!
     

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