Papa John will raise prices if Obamacare goes through as planned

These are the same people that you want running your health care?


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it's the best healthcare in the world if you have insurance and money.

Currently what is the cost to people with insurance to cover those without insurance who just go to the emergency room?

Will this cost go down after Obama-Care starts in 2014?

With more people now buying insurance will the cost come down for premiums after 2014?

I did a model with a company on what Obama-Care would cost them extra to support for 2014. This is a 500 million to 1 Billion dollar company and we came of with $226,000 in the year 2014. This is the cost for them for Obama-Care in 2014 out of pocket. For the business they were in and service they provided, they would have to raise their prices less than a .25 cents or fire one VP

My buddy is the VP so that was a Joke.
What will it cost per pizza for Papa John in 2014?
What would the cost be 10 years from now without Obama-Care?

If we keep heading in this same direction and path we will go bankrupt, so I am all ears to hear from anyone who has a solution that is better.

 

And you see Obama as the guy to save America from bankruptcy?

Any one but the government is a better choice than Obamacare.

 

Insurance will not go down. Ever.

The solution is get away from the current mentality that someone owes you something. Get out there and earn your way. ( i realize there are some hard working people that just need a break but this is not the answer)Get educated in something besides liberal arts. And whatever other non job skill degrees people are seeking.


Stop pandering to illegals would be a huge start for healthcare. If an illegal comes in to a doctor, fix their issue at the time and send them back to their own country. There should be an imigration officer meeting them at the door on the way out.

Government run healthcare will keep us on the same path, not "change" it.


The mentality has to change FIRST


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Think about every product in your cart at walmart increases by 20 cents every visit. Then the cost of gas, then whatever else you want to add in there.




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Really where did I say that?

Yes and I take it you're healthy and how old?

So what happens when you're 65 and you get sick? What insruance company is going to cover you? Private insurance companies are in business to make money. If you are not a canidate they can make money on they drop you.

So John what exactly does Obama-care cover or do that you think is wrong?

Is it the 80/20 rule?
The manadate to have insurance
Pre-existing clause?
Price Control measures?

 

So perhaps make people show an ID to get healthcare

All kidding aside, if I cannot afford to buy a car, I cannot get a car. Should not healthcare be the same? Should you get a service you cannot pay for?

That's the deal Todd and why I put an actual price on it, some products will be less some more. It depends on the production each company has.

Putting numbers out of the actual cost we can make an informed choice. Currently the debate is all emotion, I want to see the numbers. Doing this last project put a number on the cost.

 

Did you read my first post on this subject?
The only thing big government is good for is bigger spending. The IRS can't rob us fast enough to cover the programs we now have that piss billions away on worthless programs and there is no need further need for them to destroy the best medical system in the world.
And as being a self employed business owner that Obama didn't build, I pay for my own health insurance along with my employees.

Price control measures? Thats comical in itself.

 

My former Step Dad worked for IRS for 30 years He told some stories about tax evaders.

Again I asked how do we handle people with insurance who payed their premiums, get sick and lose it?
Do we have any other ideas?

 

Lack of cross state insurance is one barrier to reducing premiums. Litigation another. Dealing with the fed gov't will add red tape to carriers. I would have questions about the degree of business insurance companies would be able to outsource--likely invisible to most consumers and baked into premiums today, but non-hippa outsourcable work helps ins companies manage their costs. Insurance is already a highly commoditized business, gains from additional premium volumes won't translate into lower premium costs. Insurance debates aside, how the additional multi-trillion dollar cost of the federal program is funded will be taxes, corporate and/or individual.

There is an intriguing McKinsey study from about a year ago, that they took a beating over, that indicated MANY employers will consider dropping insurance (like they have with pensions) as a benefit offered to employees, if its cheaper to just pay the tax. I'm waiting to see how that pans out.

 

Health insurance is so exspenive because medical procedures are so expensive. Instead of concentrating on lowering the health insurance I think we should be concentrating on lowering the health care. Adding all kinds of extra administrative people certainly is not going to lower anything. The less people between you and your doctor, the cheaper the health care cost will be IMHO.

 

It's being forecast that health insurance premiums will be up 30% by 2016. See Canada and multiply their health care problems x 100 to get and idea of what the US is in store for. Lets put it like this...if the government is in charge it will likely go overbudget, take longer to implement, and result in a decrease in quality(like many government contracts). Now of course that's just my opinion but it's fairly common knowledge the government is not so good with money.

 

Stop the tax exemption for churches, and use that new found money to pay everyone's health care.

Problem solved. What's next?

 

I totally agree with this ... if the churches were Biblical, they would pay taxes .... Jesus did ... "render into Caesar the things that are Caesar's"

 

Agreed.

 

Here is what i would like to know they make is have auto insurance on or vehicles but don't regulate the prices.
So how can they make everyone have to have health insurance and just give the insurance companies free rein?
I have been in construction most of my life and very few companies offer carpenters any insurance benefits.
Kids are the ones i feel should be covered no matter what.
Out kids have health and dental but my wife and i have nothing.

So when we go to the doctor we pay full price. Which is making up for what insured peoples insurance doesn't pay them.
Of you have insurance and go to the doctor and pay a $50 deductible for and office visit
I pay $125.
It makes no sense to me why they give big companies a discount but expect people that simply can't afford insurance to pay even more

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I'd love to know about those discounts, my premiums from my 'employer sponsored insurance' are well in excess of $10k/yr.

30% increase by 2016 would be too low. Last 3 years our increases have been 10%, 14% and this upcoming year estimated to be over 10% -- I'll have this # later today, but expected to be closer to 16%.

 

Hey I am just happy my data model I did came out to a number pretty close to someone else's.

So Obama-care is forecasted to raise prices .15 to .25 cents on products.

Good question to ask, why are you taking money out of consumers pockets?

 

You do understand that Jesus was asked the question in an attempt to trick Him into saying people shouldn't pay their taxes to Caesar so the religious leaders could get Him arrested? The context of paying these taxes was not directed to the church but to individuals. As you know the church did not yet exist.

Taxes aren't collected from churches, primarily because the money given has already been taxed. The tax change that may occur will be in the form of losing personal deductions for donations to churches as a non profit organization. Now, that being said... what is good for the goose is good for the gander here. Lets stop "all" non profit donations if we're going to pick the ones that don't match our personal belief systems, including political action groups such as the Democratic and Republican parties. There are thousands of non profit groups that we could pick on. How about we start with the Boy Scouts or the Girl Scouts... or The Salvation Army... or I know ... The American Red Cross...

 

Agreed. Churches are tax exempt because they're non-profit organizations, not because they're churches. I don't think tax revenue would increase remarkably if we started taxing non-profits.



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