X2 Oregon; No smoking in restaurants since the early 90's No smoking in bars since '07 How can state government segregate who you cater your business to? before the smoking in bars ban, there was "smoke free" bars. I am a non-smoker and I am against the smoking ban.
X2 VAshadow As far as the legality of all that other stuff Quicksilver should be able to answer all that, he's a Lawyer isn't he?
Ever see these signs? "No shirt, no shoes, no service" "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" Are they discriminating then? Did you read the forum rules when you joined here? It's a publicly accessible, yet privately owned, board. --- Forum Rules In order to proceed, you must agree with the following rules: Forum Rules Registration to this forum is free! We do insist that you abide by the rules and policies detailed below. If you agree to the terms, please check the 'I agree' checkbox and press the 'Register' button below. If you would like to cancel the registration, click here to return to the forums index. Although the administrators and moderators of Bowhunting.com Forums will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of Bowhunting.com Forums, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message. By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws. The owners of Bowhunting.com Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason. I have read, and agree to abide by the Bowhunting.com Forums rules. --- Meaning, because you've agreed to the rules, you've agreed to do "business" here. No different than walking into a business which sells to the general public. As to the restaurant banning children under 6, I say it's a private business. Let them decide. Smoking? Private business as well. As an individual, you have the right to exercise your freedom of choice to not do business there by spending your money elsewhere. As to shooting smokers because they're rude? What about kids whom text while you're talking to them, people talking on the cell phone while in a public store or movie theater? Can we shoot them too? Because I find people whom whine about PC stuff rude and intolerable, can shoot them as well? What a crock....
As a resident of Michigan you already know that kids are allowed in bars if the owner is agreeable. We take ours into our favorite bar every time we go there. Other people do too, but it's a family type atmosphere. That is, fighting, gross language, rude behavior, etc., is not permitted. Your kids are expected to behave themselves.
It's seems odd to me that some people on here want to ban all smoking.... but they also are on the bandwagon to legalize marijuana and things like that. Go figure. Heck, I don't know of any state that allows smoking in public places. You want to ban smoking.... let's add booze and sex out of wedlock or extra marital affairs and all sorts of costly nasty things. LOL I smoke, but not in my house or anyone elses. I do it outdoors away from people. So shoot me, I'm a bad man. Shoot me because I smoke???? Give me a break. I've been shot and shot at. I'm still here. Don't miss or wound me as I have a tendancy to shoot back.
I cannot believe this has blown up & made national news. Kind of sad really. Although I have never been to this restaurant, it is in a area of town I know well. I am all for what they did, and judging from the response in the local papers so is the majorty of people around here. I hope they do well & thier business picks up from this policy.
I'm a non smoker but smoking bans in bars and restaurants is a huge crock. If there is such a demand for "clean air" restaurants then there will be establishments opening up that ban smoking, if there is money to be made. The argument around MN when their ban went in effect is that the employees of those places have the right to clean air. I say they don't. They signed on knowing full well that they will be working in a cloud of smoke for hours at a time, then cry foul once they are there? Bull. Go find work somewhere else. Same as the people who visit those restaurants - they knew there would be smoking, go somewhere else if it bothers you - don't go in and sit down and then want the place to change the rules to suit you. You're not that important.
Alright, maybe shooting smokers is a little harsh. Perhaps just cut their arms off. I do realize there are people out there that could smoke with their feet. For those that can pull it off, they will have their own smoking sections. Although, an issue arises in places where shoes are required for service. That could become a problem.
I know states and towns are different, but I have to believe banning kids from a public restaurant would not survive a court fight. Maybe if they made it a private club they could do it but this doesn't seem the case here. Some yuppie will take it to court and win I figure.
My solution is to put a sealed bubble around their head, after about 1 min of having to smell that crap, they should be able to quit. That's my solution for kids who have issues in public places also, seal them in with the parents, force the parents to deal with them. Gary
I don't know about that. Some of the bars around here bar anyone under 21. Some won't allow kids. Some won't allow kids after 9PM. Some have a separate section for people with kids. It's strictly up to management. Of course, those are bars. I don't know if a restaurant could get away with it. But I don't think the courts consider kids to be a protected class. I think parents who have kids who cause a disturbance should leave them home or take them outside if they act up.
Wrong! There are a whole lot of limits on what a private business can do. For example, two inspectors from the Liquor Control Commision came into our favorite bar to inspect. They objected to a clock behind the bar that had a Miller Lite ad below the clock face. The staff taped a picture of the owners' grandchildren over the ad. That was fine. A private business can do whatever they want? You need to get out more.
As far as who/what they can serve...yes they can. As far as legal advertising, regulations, code, health inspections...of course not. Your missing my point.
Can they dump raw sewage in your drinking water? Business will do what they can to make money, history has proven this time and time again. 90% business are great, none of these goofie laws would be needed, but some will do what ever it takes to make a buck.
Come on Gary....have you taken over for someone who was banned earlier this year? You know exactly what Caleb was referring to. And in this case, do you think the decision that this restaurant made was to make a buck? By eliminating potential customers and turning down their money? No, they did it to improve the atmosphere of their business for existing clients. At my resort I eliminated campers, because they took away from the Canadian experience that my cabin rental people had. Nobody shut my doors for banning certain clientele.
No, Vito took that job We are talking about smoking, not the kids which I already agreed too was the right call. See post 6.
