P&Y rules of fair chase qustion?

Under the p&y rules of fair chase from there first page item 7 that talks about
use of electronic devices to locate or guide a hunter to such game.

Would the use of game cam's fall under this explanation of the rules?How about the newer cell phone activated types?

http://www.pope-young.org/bowhunting_fairchase.asp

What do you guys feel?

 

How about a gps?

 

I sure hope not, because I've just perfected a new trail cam that shoots out tracking darts when the cam is triggered. You can set it to fire by "class", you know........ 130 class, 140 class up to and including 400 class. You never know! That's gross score. However, I'm in the process of building a P & Y model that uses "Net" for those die hards.

Patent Pending

 

hahaha, evil, I tell you evil!

 

I honestly don't follow P&Y because they have a lot of dumb rules and you have to pay to get your trophy scored.

 

i dont because i cant shoot anything to qualify =[]

 

Electronic calls, I dont see as that big of advantage. I don't use them, but, I dont feel that they offer much advantage, if any, over regular calls; maybe the hands free capability, but, aside from that, any other differences dont seem to be that great.

I dont use GPS, although, some of my friends do. They use GPS to mark area to hang future stands, where good sign was found, including bedding areas, etc, etc, but, it doesn't alter the outcome of the actual hunt.

I use trail cameras, and, they have greatly increased the odds of arrowing a mature buck. Should they be banned ? I dont think so, but, I could understand why, if they were.

 

p&y has some "dumb" rules but they are all there for a reason i guess and its the same for everyone right?
i dont like it either but guess i cant complain and i couldnt enter a deer anyway cause i use all of that stuff lol

 

You do not pay to have your deer scored. Scoring of deer is provided by volunteer measurerers of P&Y. However, if you wish to enter your animal into their record book you must pay their entry fee.

 

Below is copied from the P&Y web site.

"The term “Fair Chase” shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:

Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.
From any power vehicle or power boat.
By “jacklighting” or shining at night.
By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.
While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures.
By the use of any power vehicle or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.
By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached.
Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable. "

Wow, I have never read this before. These rules are vague and very much left to interpretation. Especially the last statement.
Anyone who shoots a buck that they want scored better not post trail cam pics of the deer.
Steve, when you go to the meeting could you get more info on these rules for us?

 

Yeah, i guess I can see how game cameras might fall under "locating", but I think you would be ok with a GPS since it can in no way "guide" you to game. At least not any more than a map.

 

Thanks for clearing that up for me. But doesn't P&Y ban trail cameras? And how much is the entry fee?

 

The p&y rules are just like the DNR rules they are open to thier interpretation.
So by thier rules no cover scent, no attractants, no electronics, no decoys, who knows. I have never and will never support p&y just because of the political crap. I hunt hard for my game and every one that I kill is my own trophy in my own way.
Down with the man! lmao rofl

 

You are not allowed to use cellular service trail cameras (the ones that instantly send photos to your email) regular trail cameras are permitted.

I believe the entry fee is $35, although I am not sure.

 

You are correct my friend.

 

I am not necessarily disagreeing but: If a person had scouted out a buck and knew where his bedding was and then gave the coordinates to another person and that person, with no prior knowledge of this particular buck, used the GPS to get there..............

 

Even the use of a Lighted nock would disqualify entry.

 

How would P&Y even know that a camera/device of this nature was used in the locating/scouting of the animal harvested ? Why would someone just volunteer that information ?

Oh, I can understand that side of the "argument", Bruce, and, I'm sure a group of guys could beat this horse until it dies 4 times, but....

How does this differ from you and I scouting a piece of land that we share hunting rights on. I find what I believe is the bed of a buck we're both targeting.

I call you and say, "Bruce, if you're hunting this weekend, go set up near that big, secluded white oak that stands alone on the South West side of the CRP field, between there and the beans." You do, it, and, harvest the buck with traditional archery tackle, and, no rangefinder, camera, etc, etc.

Say I guided you in with a GPS, instead of natural landmarks. Why would this be frowned upon ? Is P&Y just attempting to preserve the traditional avenues of harvesting game ? Have they put up a wall, blocking the assistance of electronic devices for just such reason(s) ?

How about me taking a photo of a buck, from my stand, with a cell phone camera, then, sending the photo to you with some text reading "if you're hunting this weekend, hunt this stand; look whos coming to this field". You do it, and, kill the deer.

Does this action disqualify the deer from the P&Y record book ?

 

Aww man, I hope the lowest setting isn't 130. You have a model that starts at 20? Put me down for 2.

 

Trail cams are perfectly legal Todd. I don't know for sure myself but I'm betting Scott Is right about the wireless trail cams.

Their rules of fair chase don't seem that out of line to me.

Scents, attractants, decoys are perfectly legal as long as their legal In that state.