Ive searched for both of these already and haven't found any sufficient answers. I am looking to replace my arrows soon enough cause I keep loosing/breaking them. I like the Blazer vanes I have now, but would I be able to fletch them in a helical pattern because they are so short? I think my gf is going to get me a Bitzenburger for Christmas and if I don't go crazy on my arrows I should be able to make the ones I have last until then. Ok, part 2. I shot a Bowtech Invasion yesterday at my local shop, the D-loop that was on it was stiffer than an old man looking at a Victoria's Secret catalog. I tied mine onto my string myself on my current bow, it's not terribly soft, but it was nice to have that real stiff loop. How can I make mine like that? I forgot to ask him when I was there, so I figured I would ask you guys first before I call them. Thanks
1. From my experience you are correct. Blazer Vanes are to short to get a helical that is of any value. I think it actually does more harm then good. 2. A soft D loop? What is the value of this? I would think you would want a stiff D loop as it would be easier to lock on to with your release. I am sure over time if it is stiff it will loosen up a bit.
I want a stiff d-loop, mine now is soft and I sometimes have to chase it around, especially in the heat of the moment in the stand. I want to know how to make mine stiff so I can grab onto it easier.
Maybe its the type of material. Replacing it may do the trick. I also noticed when D loops are to big they tend to flop around.
Replace your d loop w new material. Problem solved. Blazers can be fletched helical without any negative issues, I just don't know if it gains you anything either
Hahahah, Oh it can be a major problem at times. The material I have on is pretty new and the loop is not oversized, it fits pretty well. I guess I'll have to go to the shop and ask what he is actually using cause even short loops with the stuff I have are pretty soft. And I didn't think blazers would benefit much from having a helical pattern just because they are so short. I like those little vanes.
See this lady for quality D-Loop material: http://forums.bowhunting.com/showth...read-Where-you-always-get-more-for-your-money The old, rcommended fletch for blazers used to be 2 degrees offset. The helical became the new in thing and everyone started fletching blazers using a helical clamp. Like Trevor says, it can be done, slightly, but there is no real advantage.
The material I use for my D-Loops is soft. I tie mine as short as I possibly can, the ones I've seen with the stiff loops tend to be quite long, it's all a matter of preference. I'm sure it's just the material used.
I agree with replacing if you want a stiffer Loop, BUT, that flexible one, may be just what the doctor ordered to prevent you from torquing the string ever so slightly.... As for the Blazers being fletched with helical, I've gotten all mine fletched straight, and when I was able to shoot (broken neck hindered me a little, but I'm getting there), I matched FP's with BH's out the 40-50yds without any problems.
1) when I fletch with 2" blazers and fusions I always use a 3' right helical, keep in mind it does more at long range than close range, in fact at close range they do hamper arrow flight 2) an ole trick I heard about years ago on a soft D loop is take one end off your string put a twist in it then tie it back works well stiffens up the D loop a bit BUT if you're gonna un tie it might as well replace it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think I am going to go with a right hand helical fletch just cause if I want to go with a longer vane later on, then I will have the helical clamp already. I shortened my d-loop and it made it a little stiffer, but not as stiff as the one on the Invasion I shot. When I first tied my d-loop myself, it was ungodly long, but that was ok cause my draw length is technically to short on my bow for my size. Now that I shortened it, there is just enough room for the nock to be all the way seated and the jaws of my release to get in there. That's it. Then I retied it again, just messing around with it and there's a little extra room in there but nothing like it was before. I'm just going to have to mess around with some materials and see what works out.I've heard about putting super glue on the d-loop after it is set to make it stiff so I might try it as part of my messing around.
Super glue might eat away at the material over a period of time. Most people I talk to and I like are blazers at 3 degree right.
Ok, so I will have to do more research into ways to stiffen my d-loop. How many degrees is the Bitzenburger right helical set at? Is 3 degrees kind of like an industry standard?
