Just throwing this out there: Replay review wasn't available for facemask, roughing non-call Posted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2010 9:57 AM ET The failure of the officials to spot the facemask and/or roughing the passer penalties during the final play of Sunday's Packers-Cardinals game directly resulted in Arizona's 51-45 overtime win. And before we go any farther in this regard, let's be clear. Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5 states that "[n]o player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction." So Michael Adams' hit on Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers should have drawn a flag. Also, Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(3) plainly states that defenders may not "hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face." So Adams committed not one but two penalties on the play -- and the officials missed not one but both of them. And here's our biggest concern. But rule, replay can't be used to determine that a facemask or a roughing the passer penalty occurred. It's not available because it's not on the list of specific uses for instant replay. But maybe it should be. We believe that the league should embrace replay technology for all purposes, especially in those cases where no judgment or discretion by the officials is involved. Recently, the league decided to add clock errors to the list of reviewable plays, taking the unusual step of instituting the change during the season, so that a clock error won't affect the outcome a playoff game. As we saw on Sunday night, many other errors can affect the outcome of a playoff game. And we think the league should strive to ensure that none do.
My big problem is at what point does "protecting the QB" take away from the game? Personally, I loved the non-call. I am sick of people crying and complaining about a pinky finger hitting Tom Brady or Peyton Manning in the head. It is pathetic. We allow running backs to get pounded play after play, TE's are allowed to get smashed all game long, but somebody's fingers brush against a QB's helmet and its the end of the world. Sorry Green Bay fans (not directed at anybody on the forums, just fans in general), but ya lost. Yea, it sucks for you, but get over it and quit bringing up the excuses... I bet the Packers players themselves would say that they were to blame for the loss... not the officials.
Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are the definition of a confident quarterback. No matter how big or small their lead, they are serious and focused to the end of the game. When Rodgers got rolling in the second half, he didnt stop walking around nodding his head, watching him on the sidelines he was having a good old time laughing and joking. He came out for the OT coin toss, laughing , still nodding, while you have an experienced vet like Woodson looking focused and determined because he was fighting for his playoff life. Rodgers got c0cky, and he paid for it.
I say we have robots officiate the games or better yet, just have people watching cameras officiate the games.
I disagree. If someone like Brett Favre had behaved like Rodgers prior to overtime the announcers would have said, "look how calm and confident Brett looks!" It is all about perception. And you perceive Rodgers to be that way because he is young. He is one HELL of a young quarterback. If Rodgers would have won the game with that drive they would have said, "Rodgers wasn't even rattled by overtime or by the scope of this game...he performed like a veterain!".
Okay boys, let me get a few things in here. The first point, i know we lost, our defense sucked, and we should have never have been in that game. The reason we were is because of our STUD young QB. Theres nothing else to say about Aaron Rodgers. He missed a few HUGE throws, and at the same time, made all the throws he could. Now the penalties. The facemask call doesnt bother me one bit. Rodgers should have NEVER kicked the ball....tuck rule, incomplete pass. 4th down. He got greedy. BUT. Fitzgerald on Woodson, the 2nd touchdown. Horsecrap. Larry bulldozed Woodson to the ground. Ive never seen a more biased call based on superstardom in my life (i lied, every call involving Brady is terrible )
The problem with this game was as follows. I was noticing the no calls on Arizona starting in the 2nd quarter. Then they started calling us on "stupid" penalties, like Drivers hold (though it didnt matter) and the phantom "Roughing the Passer" call on the aforementioned Fitzgerald touchdown. You start to notice a trend, and then the game ends on a HUGE play with a few possible penalties that werent called. Its a terrible way to end a 13 touchdown offensive epic. Just a little venting. The games over, and im over it. sorta
No calls and bad calls are just part of this game....they suck, but it happens every game all season for that matter...I hate it too, but when it goes in the Cowboys favor I keep my mouth shut....so I don't use it as an excuse when they get the shaft on these no calls or bad calls....it is what it is.
Really? I'm not claiming to know the rules of football any better than anyone. But I have to ask.....Does the fact that a fumble/interception occurred not play into the equation? I'm ASKING.....wouldn't there simply be offsetting penalties/results? Wouldn't the Packers STILL lose posession? Here's a hypothetical to ponder..... Rodgers throws an interception.....and is subsequently the victim of a late hit. What's the ruling?
I would "think" the play would be frozen from the spot of the foul.....at the time it occurred.....and the penalty (yds) would be assessed from that point. That's what happens on a play where the offense commits a foul. They don't get the result of the play (yds gained) THEN the penalty. But again....I don't know, either.
There can't be a change of possession with a penalty on the recovering team. If the penalty occurred before Arizona possessed the ball it's a 15 yard facemask penalty, first and 10 Green Bay. Touchdown wouldn't have counted and the Cardinals would not retain possession.
