Well, that is nice of you to think that, but you would be wrong. Not saying Gerhart is a horrible back, but Ingram is faster, shiftier and runs just as hard at Gerhart.
I don't see that. Ingram plays with blue chip talent all around him. Gerhart doesn't and they still can't stop him. He plays with heart like few I have ever watched.
Standford has had some pretty decent recruiting classes that last few years. Also, everyone knows that the PAC-10 doesn't put a high premium on defense. And him running all over ND was nothing special. And Ingram doesn't? You must not have watched the Bama vs South Caroline game. It seemed like Ingram ran the ball 50 times in the second half to help Bama win that game.
Please don't even insinuate that Stanford has anything near blue chip recruits. I doubt they even get that many 4 star prospects. Geahart kept pace with Ingram all year with average division I lineman. Gearhart > Ingram No, I didn't watch the Bama SC game.
Ingram > Gerhart. I mentioned on here and to my brother awhile back that Ingram runs harder than any back I have ever seen. It usually took 3-4 Gators to take down Ingram on Saturday and the Gators have some of the best tacklers in the nation in Haden, Spikes and Major Wright. The guy's motor just does not stop and that has nothing to do with having blue chip talent around you.
It has everything to do with blue chip talent around you. Don't kid yourself. Get slammed for loss and no gains constantly and see how much get up and go people have. Have a great O line open up good holes for a good back and it is much easier to play with a chip on your shoulder. Gearhart reminds me of a smaller version of Mike Alstot (sp?) in his hayday, but better.
Also- I'll back Hooker's statement of Standford having had some solid recuiting classes lately. They currently stand at 18th in the 2010 class and 20th in the 09 class. Granted they don't sweep up top notch recruits, but sense Harbaugh (sp?) they have held their own and after the year they had this year, mainly whooping up on USC in LA and they'll begin to get their fair share.
Then clearly Stanford has a respectable O-line for Gerhart to be able to get out in the open field and bull his way through 4 and 5 defenders, right?
You are talking about a bunch of kids who haven't even saw the field yet. Show me the 2003-2008 recruit classes
Admittedly, they were 50th in 2008, 51st in 2007, 53rd in 2006 and 41st in 2005.. so ya got me there. But recruiting is so fickle. You can make the argument that you must recruit well to compete for national titles i.e Florida, Alabama, Texas, USC. But then again you routinely have 2 and 3 star players emerge into top 5 picks. And I think running back is one position where the success of the running back is not indicative of the team's overall talent. Sure you need to have a decent O-line and a QB that can toss the ball around decently. But good running backs posses strong vision, instincts and athletic ability. Take my team Florida for example. Three running backs and if you were to grade them out on a video game they would all receive a "90." But explain to me how Demps, running the same plays as Rainey and Moody, averages more yards per carry, yards per game and more TD's on the same amount of touches? He simply has better skills. It has nothing to do with the talent around him.
I agree 100%. You may have taken what I was saying wrong. But in most cases a great back behind a bad line won't impress many people (outside of Barry Sanders in the NFL). Average backs behind great lines usually look great (not singe-ling out any certain back). I am just saying Gerhart looks great and kept pace with Ingram behind an average at best O line.
I see where you are coming from Scott, but Ingram had 123 yards rushing, 88 of those after contact against Florida. I was at the South carolina game and Ingram won that game on his on. He actually took direct snaps the entire drive at the end to shut the game down. Gerhart is good, but just like he does not have a great O-line, he is also not running against very good D-lines either. I think you can make a case for Colt, Ingram, or Gerhart it just depends on who you want to see win it.
I can agree on all counts. I wouldn't feel any one was ripped off if Ingram won the Heisman, he is deserving for sure. I just like the old school fight to the whistle never say die I see in Gerhart playing on a mediocre team (not saying that ingram doesn't play to the whistle). McCoy did himself no favors in the 'braska game.
McCoy had a bad game against Nebraska, but i dont think it killed his Heisman hopes. He was the best QB in college football this year (Yes, i said it Florida fans). He has more wins then any Quarterback ever has....EVER. I admittedly didn't watch as much college football as i did in 2005, 2006 and 2007 this year...but i watched enough to know that Colt McCoy is a guy who plays with heart. Compare him to 2006 and now and its unbelievable, even if he did set the then record for TD passes by a freshman. Colt McCoy will win it, everyone who hates Texas for whatever reason is just jumping on the bandwagon for "that guy" from Bama because he "BEAT TEBOW" and the Florida Gators :D
I'd almost agree with everything said until I saw him Play in the conference championship, he played mediocre and his bone headed play at the end almost cost them the game. I'd say the same for Tebow, any hope he had SHOULD have ended with the conference championship game. Neither showed out like Heismans should when they are needed the most. That is sayin alot since I think Tebow may be the best College football player I have ever watched. I think the most deserving two would be Ingram or Gerhart.
He won't it, but in all reality, from the beginning to the end of the season, he dominated every game far more than the other finalists. Don't be surprised if he doesn't rack up the most 1st place votes, but fails to win the trophy.
Ingram will win because he is on a higher profile team. With that said, Gerhart was more fun to watch this year. All 11 defensive players knew he was getting the ball and he still rushed for 200 yards or more in 3 games and scored 26 TDs. 26! All on a team with mediocore talent. Now if Ingram was relied on as much as Gerhart was for his team (and I'm not saying he wasn't at times), it is quite possible he could have duplicated those stats. We'll never know for sure as he played on a very talented team. It's a two man race between these two. It will be a joke if they don't go 1-2.
This is my vote Hands down the best player in college football this year. This would also bring some legitimacy back to the Heisman. I don't think McCoy should even get an invite. He will be in NYC by name alone.
