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Obama's Address on Syria (9/10/13)

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  1. tfox

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    Oddly enough, 7 un countries didn't sign and 2 of them are Syria and Israel. Egypt was also one.

    No denying this whole situation us a mongolian cluster ****

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    There are hundreds of thousands of people or more per year that are brutally raped, tortured, and killed by lunatic warlords in Africa, yet we do nothing.

    This Syria thing is political......period.
     
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    Both sides in Syria are evil, if this was a case of good vs evil I would support helping out. The fact of the matter is it is evil vs evil, we should stay out of it so we can successfully complete the mission in Afghanistan and prepare to fight future wars we won't get a choice about participating or not in.
     
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    You may be right but in the case of evil against evil and a government is attacking "innocent" civilians, shouldn't they be helped.



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    The more I have thought about this, nothing positive can come out of this for the United States. We have already tried to intervene in similar situations, and in the end all we have accomplished is getting a bunch of Americans killed and created more hate against America. It's time we step away and let the middle east destroy itself.
     
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    My question was more hypothetical because I'll admit that im not sure who did what in this situation.

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    No decent person of a sound mind wants to allow innocent civilians to be mass murdered, but there are to many unknowns and no one to trust in this case. Can anyone say for sure that the rebels didn't knowingly place these civilians into harms way. The global media outcry over this alleged government atrocity has been very beneficial to their side of the fight by garnering the possible support and intervention on their behalf of world powers, such as the US. Radical Islamic groups, in general, have a way of thinking that most of us westerners will never understand, from my exposure to that part of the world, I wouldn't say that this isn't a possibility over there.
     
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    I agree in this case.

    My question was more hypothetical and we knew who did what.

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    Agreed, while we re-allocate wealth, we cut military spending, force furloughs, and basically put a noose around the American workers' throats, to prove a political point. Obamacare is an excellent example of re-allocating wealth, except it's a re-distribution up the age scale, to try to fix, yet another problem that the govt. needs to keep it's hands out of. Look at these HARP refinances, they are exactly the type of foolishness that got us into this financial problem in the first place.... To the true point though, we don't really know who's the bad and who's the REALLY BAD over there. Neither side is really our "ally," therefore, It really does make more sense to stand on the sideline and let them keep killing each other. If it's really that big a deal, let the local neighbors handle it... Once Turkey, Jordan, Israel, Egypt, Iraq, Greece, France, Russia, Italy, Germany, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the nearby neighbors are involved, they can deal with their own LOCAL problem. We don't have Russia trying to help us deal with the Mexican Drug Cartel, do we???

    But here's is the PROBLEM Todd, who are the worser of the "Bad Guys???" Do you really want to put your aide behind people who are beheading Catholic Priests, and eating the hearts of the govt. soldiers there when they kill them??? Whose who over there??? We find out about something 10 days or so after it's happened, and decide we're going to put a stop to it, yet we don't really even know what actually happened. I think if you have a regional problem, let the region deal with it until it looks like it's going to get out of the region and become a more global problem.

    Just a touch of some of the early posts. My edit in BLUE above to respond to thoughts by the OP in the quote.

    Syria is a quagmire that should be dealt with by the region, until it becomes a "GLOBAL" threat, and while anything CAN be a global threat at some level, right now it's a small global threat, in comparison to Iraq and Afghanistan 11-12 years ago.


    On the same train of thought of "innocent civilians" being murdered by their government, lets take a close look into some of the countries in Africa.... Really if it's about "principles," we should have been in African ever since the inception of our union some 240 or so years ago... Obama is "cherry-picking" with his "redlines....."
     
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