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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by TeeJay, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. John Galt

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  2. Vendetta

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    I said I'm pro-choice
    I said I support the rights of gay to marry
    I said I believe in raising taxes

    Those, in fact, are reasons to vote FOR Obama. If you want to construe that as being against Romney, because they are against Romney, the fact remains that it is FOR Obama. I voted for something, not against it, with regards to these.

    In regards to Tfox, you have every right to practice your belief system. My argument isn't against you believing in what you want to believe, in fact it's quite the opposite. I'm saying that you shouldn't try to impose your ideas on me. I have as much right to practice my belief system as you do. At the center of that, religion and politics shouldn't be intermingled. Which takes me back to my original point.
     
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    So, by this thought process you are saying it just isnt fair that the rich hold most of the country's wealth. Even though you admit that they pay nearly all the taxes. So.....the rich should just volunteer to pay much higher income taxes until the gap in the middle is gone? Last I knew, we all have the opportunity to do what it takes to become rich. There are countless stories of immigrants that came to our country with only the clothes on their backs and are now rich. Why? Because they were willing to work their butts off and do what it takes to be successful. Is that also unfair? After working 90 and 100 hours a week without vacations for years and years should we just tell them that it is now their obligation to eliminate the gap in the middle and prop up the system so that the people that didnt get rich can have a bigger apartment and a nicer car? If the rich paid more taxes, it would never be enough. Some would never be happy until there are no longer rich people.
     
  4. Vito

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    The constitution gives us all the right for religious freedom. As well as freedom of speech. If i say God is king, you have no rights to stop me. Other than in the case of harassment. ( rights can not infringe upon anothers rights )

    I agree religion and politics should be separate, ( from the constitutional standpoint, no law shall infringe , etc) however, one is governed by their own moral compass and their religion helps shape that. So, the two can never be completely separate.:)

    No where does it say that because you don't agree or like what i say, that you have the right to stop me from saying it or practicing, or displaying it. And the same applies to your beliefs.

    The grey area is the school teacher that has the 10 commandments on her desk. I feel the constitution affords her the right to do so. The left argues against it. Even though the government or school didn't force her to display it. It is HER belief. As long as she doesn't use the classroom as a podium to preach, i feel it is within her rights.



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    Epic post....well said, Todd :)
     
  7. tfox

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    This may surprise you but I'm not an overly religious person. I go to church on occasion but not religiously ( pun intended):D

    My feelings on the matter are based on what i feel the constitution provided us as americans.

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  8. Vito

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    Would you feel the same way if a teacher displayed a satanic symbol on her desk?
     
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    Why would you vote to raise taxes? If they spent the money wisely and didn't have enough to go around then I would be in favor of a tax hike but the government has such wasteful spending habits why would any taxpayer want to donate more of the money they earned?

     
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    He believes in raising "other peoples" taxes. :)
     
  11. tfox

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    Yes, as long as it isn't preached or practiced in the classroom.

    Question, wouldn't that make them a christian? Atleast from the standpoint of God and creationism.:confused:

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  12. Vito

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    Gotcha.

    I don't believe so. I don't think you can just pick the parts of christianity you like, ignore the rest, and still consider yourself a christian...or can you???
     
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    My thought is that to believe in the devil, you must first believe there was God. :what:

    I don't know, just thinking out loud, or in this case, text.:D

    Yea, this has gotten a little off topic.:)

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    Kind of like believing you can tell others what they can or cannot do with their lifes choices and bodies.

    Vendetta gave his reason, they may to logical to you, but to him they are. I give him credit for stating what he believes, which is no more wrong or right then what any of us believe.
     
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    Re read it, he posted it two ways, I was clarifying it. He doesn't believe he owes any more money, but he does believe I do, I in turn feel that most of you should be grateful for what we are presently giving you, and that you too should try and get out of the tax free zones that mediocrity has trapped you in, come on try over achieving for a while, its fun up here. :)
     
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    I'd have more respect for Obama if he said I want to raise taxes on everybody. But he cant say that because many of the ones who are barely contributing if at all would pitch a fit. Solution...let's make the rich pay more. I can't wrap my brain around how that is logical. Aren't we all citizens? If the country is in such bad shape that some need to contribute more why not all?

    It's all smoke and mirrors, it's like hey look over there at those rich people being all rich they should pay more. Meanwhile noones asking "wait a second where is all the money going?" That's because they are too worried about how much someone else should pay and how little they should pay and that is exactly the result that is wanted.
     
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    Elmo's a child molester, and you too should hate him. Now big bird, thats another story in it self, the bastard.
     
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    Did I say that?

    So we agree, in part. I don't doubt that religion can help shape morals. I do think that religion itself has no part in politics.

    Again, did I say that?

    She's a state paid employee. If she wants to display religious material she has every right to work at a religious institution. I also believe prayer should be allowed in school, just not in the classroom (ie, they can have prayer groups if students wish to attend, but not be allowed to force it upon all students).


    Fletch, have to researched the percentage of wealth over the last few years? Have you looked into how the share of of the national pie has changed over the past 20 years? Have you looked at the tax changes during that same time? Trickle down economics is false, as stated before congress by the man who invented the idea. He said he did not account for the greed of the wealthy. Alan Greenspan.
     
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    Believe it or not, I believe $250k a year is too low of a number. I think taxes should be raise on the rich by a lot, by the upper class by some, and on the upper middle by a little. Honestly though, this is not at the top of my priorities, but it's probably top 10.
     

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