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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by TeeJay, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. Vendetta

    Vendetta Die Hard Bowhunter

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    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

    It's also wise to note that "god" is not in the constitution.

    In regards to spending cuts, you're mistaken if you think Obama has done nothing but increase spending. I'm not saying the welfare program doesn't need work, it most definitely does. I'm just saying that I wouldn't have trusted Romney to have cut spending responsibly. He wanted to cut taxes, and raise defense spending, that cuts into a lot of other programs. He blamed losing the election on "gifts". He said 47% of people don't take responsibility for themselves. The man was truly out of touch. I don't feel Obama is a perfect candidate. I don't think there will ever be a perfect president, as they're all human. In my opinion, I picked the person who was most aligned to my values.
     
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    Honesty question, where does slavery fall in the Christian values of our fore fathers?
     
  3. fletch920

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    One of the biggest issues I have with the liberal party is the contined misconception that the rich dont pay any taxes or pay very little tax. The rich have money to save and invest. The gains on those investments may only be taxed at a rate of 15% for now as was established by our legislature, but I can assure you, they can not avoid paying ordinary income tax on their wages. Half of the families in this country dont pay income taxes. Go to the IRS website and see who pays the vast majority of all taxes collected in our country, it's the rich. I work with some wealthy clients and have seen their tax returns. The amount of tax that some of them have to pay is staggering, literally hundreds of thousands of dollars every year. One way they can lessen the tax burden is to make donations to charities (501(C)3's). Should we fault them for their generosity? Maybe some would rather their money go where they know it will be put to good use. The liberals want to continue this charade that there are magic loopholes and fancy financial tricks that the wealthy take advantage of that allows them to get by without paying any taxes. Let me tell you, as an individual, if you earn the income, you pay the taxes. The higher the income, the higher the tax rate. There are corporations that avoid taxes, but that is a far different story. Believe me, if the rich were not paying taxes, we would have been down the tubes long ago. The tax the rich mantra is a great example of what the liberal party is willing to do to attract and hold onto those that dont know better than to believe it. The sad thing is, it is disproven with the smallest amount of effort and research. But, sometimes even a small amount of effort is just not worth finding the truth.
     
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  4. TEmbry

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    Slavery has no part in Christianity...whether "Christians" back then had slaves or not.

    Good question though, I have no clue each of their beliefs on it.



    As for religion, we have always been and will always be One Nation, Under God. True christian principles are nothing to govern away from IMO.
     
  5. Schuls

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    I find it interesting that nobody has still come outright and said the reasons that they voted for Obama. I'm not bashing either, just really would like to understand the viewpoints, rather than dancing around the question. I don't party affiliate...but one of my main reasons for NOT voting for Obama is his policies that are/will affect the military considering I still have about 3 1/2 years to go until I can retire from the Army. I know the whole Libya thing is still being investigating, but a leader who fails to take action.......I wasn't fond of Romney either, I just thought he could maybe actually make a change rather than just talk about how this country needs a change.
     
  6. Vito

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    Religion is gay.
     
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    One nation under God. This country most certainly was founded with christian beliefs and FREEDOM OF RELIGION. NOT freedom from it.

    Heck, many came to this country to escape religious persecution. How ironic is that?:rolleyes:

    Separation of church and state is NOT written in the constitution. People in this country need to read the constitution.

    The phrase is from writings(letter) of Thomas Jefferson. But the 1rst amendment states that congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free excersize thereof.

    The leftist have completely turned the phrase separation of church and state into a completely different direction than its original meaning.



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  8. Vito

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    Practicing religion, and using your religious beliefs to govern a country are two completely different things.
     
  9. tfox

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    No they're not. One can't establish law regarding religion, however ones religion shapes their moral compass and one will govern by that compass. Sure, there are grey areas and of course areas of disagreement.

    Those of us that oppose abortion oppose it because we believe it to be murder. Not because we believe in God. ;)



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    Again, the word "god" does not appear in the constitution, and the "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" was taken from John Adams, not myself. Freedom of religion is, in fact, freedom from it. You have the right to believe whatever you want to believe. Don't try to inflict me with your belief system, and keep them out of politics.

    As far as the rich paying taxes fletch. The problem is that you don't understand our argument, at least you don't understand mine. There are a lot of ways to view it, in my opinion, but your view is not one I share. In fact, its not one a lot of rich people share. Taxes have been the lowest for the wealthiest group of people since the enactment of the tax code. Taxes don't have a steadfast effect on the economy. The one thing they do, is increase the disparity in the income distribution. The income equality is the most disproportionate it's ever been. When people have to work 60 hours a week to pay for their apartment, food, and transportation, while CEOs are getting $10mil bonuses is not my idea of American. It's class slavery in my view. Put simply: The income disparity between the rich and poor has grown exponentially over the past couple decades, the tax rates on the wealthy have gone down. That's counter-intuitive to me. Yes, the rich pay most of the taxes, they also hold most of the country's wealth. You can't have one without the other.

    Schuls, I did actually list a few reasons.
     
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    But the country was founded on the freedoms to exercise christian beliefs. Even if you don't like it. You can't stop me.



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  12. Schuls

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    Vendetta, no offense but I'm not seeing a reason as to why you voted FOR Obama, all I see is reasons why you did NOT vote for Romney or others? See what I'm getting at, I haven't really seen valid reasons why folks voted for Obama, and as mentioned I'm not trying to get an argument going, I would just like to see the viewpoints.
     
  13. Schuls

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    and some folks voted for Obama becaues he supports gay marriage....that's cool and all but what does that do as a political platform for the country? Sure, if you want to marry a dude and bang him, that should be your right but that's not gonna dig us out of this massive deficit that the current administration has really dug us deep into. And yes, I know every democrat out there will say it's Bush's fault and not Obama's...but he had 4 years to improve it and all it did was increase in the red!
     
  14. MN-IN.A.TREE

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    Ahaha that is awesome MN!
     
  16. MN-IN.A.TREE

    MN-IN.A.TREE Weekend Warrior

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    It gave me a good laugh this morning.
     
  17. Hoytee-Toytee

    Hoytee-Toytee Weekend Warrior

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    Up dis here tree.....
    Romney/Ryan.
     
  18. Schuls

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    See, once again no logical reason. Why is it no Democrat can give a good valid reason other than talk trash about Romney? LOL Sigh, I really hate politics....
     
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    If religion is gay then color me rainbow. I hope you like shirtless men Vito. There will be plenty of them in hell.
     
  20. Schuls

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    So what's the deal with that guy?? /\
     

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