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Obama vs. O'reilly

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by BJE80, Feb 7, 2011.

  1. BJE80

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    Sooooooo, does anyone have any comments on the interview? :)

    For those of you that don't think the president deserves more respect than he got yesterday..... I could not disagree more. But that is just me.
     
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    other than oreilly being his typical pushy interviewer, meh, nothin to see here... I wasn't particularly impressed with anything that was said by either
     
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    I liked it. O'Reilly didn't let him control the interview like O'Bama does everytime he speaks.
     
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    :lmao: No kidding, more right wing babble that does not solve any problems.

    I am all for the free market, but when private company can cancels insurance on a person who has payed their premiums to save money, something is broken.

    The un-insured are going to bankrupt us, so how does the problem get solved?

    Just letting the free markets work, well tend to cause some issues if not regulated a bit. Greed is the issue here, lets be honest, most companies will cut corners to save a buck.
     
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    Tyical Jeff, no argument so you bash someone:lmao:

    I never stated I was for Obamacare, I believe I stated I wanted it scrapped.

    I want to know all these socialist policy Obama has signed? So far we got Obamacare because it manadates everyone gets insurance.

    Here's my thought, just like with car insurance should it not be the states job to regulate insurance?
     
  6. GMMAT

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    I just went back and watched it again.

    Honestly, I think Bill was nice. I also think Obama did really well.

    Go figure.

    Gary....I gave you my argument (which IS politics 101 stuff). You laughed at it (then, later admit I was right). I didn't bash you. I stated an obvious re: your knowledge of the subject matter.
     
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    I agree with Jeff, it just makes life easier:moose:
     
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    You are joking.....right?
     
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    Jeff right now in the real world, not your Limbaugh fantasy land, people have real problems. Good people and something needs to be fixed.

    Here is a real life example

    61 year old lady who has had health insurance all her life. Her husband who has the health insurance divorces her, she has pre-existing conditions. She has alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease and cannot get good health insurance anywhere. At 62 she can get medicare which is not going to cover her medical expenses or her needs.

    Her family is pretty much going to foot the bill. I have sold my hunting land, and I am currently buying a house with a guest house so she can live with us. The woman is my mother.

    We have serious problems and right wing or left wing babble is not going to solve any of these issues.

    When I ask about Obamacare I have my reason, until any of us get put in a no win sitution we can babble all we want. It's just talking from the cheap seats.

    Right now I want people in office who can solve problems, the reason I voted for our current govener in MI. I don't care where they sit in congress, I want someone who can solve problems.
     
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    Dang Gary, I am real sorry to hear that. You have always had my utmost respect and this just reenforces that.

     
  11. GMMAT

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    Really...you said this....

    And, I asked if you were joking.

    I respect what you're doing with your family.....and commend you for it. I'm not sure how that fits into this conversation, though. You need some good legal advice.

    My free legal advice would be to have your mother (if it's not too late) sign everything she owns over to you and your siblings.
     
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    She could stay on the plan she always had. Divorce is a qualifying event that would allow her to continue on the plan with no pre-existing etc. Also, COBRA benefits should have been offered. Why did she not continue on the plan she had? Something is not right here. She is a perfect example of why the HIPPA laws were inacted in 1996. As long as she had credible prior coverage she could get new coverage within 63 days without pre-ex. Also, her illness should make her eligible for SS disability and in turn make her eligible for medicare early. With a good medicare supplement, she would have little out of pocket expense for medical costs.
     
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    No, I was not joking.

    One state does it now(Mass) and it's a mess, but what can we learn from Mass and do better.

    How do we get uninsured medical care? Besides moving to Canada which I do not want to do:D

    How do we get the leeches off the system? How do we get people to be healthy? I could afford to buy my mother insurance, but nobody will take my money. That free market is really working for us:(
     
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    In the divorce agreement she (her lawyer) should have asked to have the insurance costs covered by her husband. (COBRA payments)

    Obamacare isn't going to fix that situation.

    This is why the first thing a healthcare reform should do is get rid of the whole employer sponsored healthcare scheme. Imagine if we relied on our employers for our homeowners insurance and car insurance too. Sounds stupid right? Why do we continue to do it for our healthcare??? Give the tax breaks the companies get to individuals. Then we can switch jobs, start own businesses... whatever without worrying about losing our healthcare coverage.
     
  15. GMMAT

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    It already IS controlled by the individual states, Gary.

    We don't. The real problem here is people thinking healthcare is OWED to them by their employers. They feel like it's an entitlement.

    IT ISN'T. And, with Obamacare......you're gonna see it disappear.

    And....you wanna know the sad part? Your employer sponsored healthcare has been a benefit. Call it a "bonus" to your salary. You think you'll get a raise, when Obamacare comes and your employer drops the program?
     
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    My mother screwed up and did not send in the correct "forms" I am trying to fix it, but our entire system is a mess.

    It's my fault I should have stuck my nose in this mess sooner

    Cobra runs out 36 months, so in three years if I don't fix this mess, I am still in the same boat
     
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    Yes it's regulated by the states, I am talking run by the states, my bad
     
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    So....you think the states should start up an insurance company. And, are you suggesting that evey citizen of that state should be required to be insured by the state?

    How do you suggest they pay for this?
     
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    You might want to get a lawyer on this ASAP. Has it been over 63 days? Have you tried working with your states insurance commissioners office? SSI office? There may still be a way to get her the coverage she needs. A competent broker should be able to help with this also. Good luck to you! Her divorce lawyer should have picked up on this and made sure it was not overlooked.
     
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    I don't know and there lies the issue.

    I do not want to manadate healthcare, but that one line Obama said last night I agree with.

    Should people not be Responsible for their healthcare?
     

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