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Obama Says He'll Potect the Middle Class

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  1. Iowa Veteran

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    Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class. - Yahoo News

    Obama also decided under Obamacare that military retirees should pay for their own healthcare until they reached eligibility for medicare. After this was shot down, he proposed that military retirees pay more co-pays and deductibles. Not only have my deductibles increased, my prescription costs doubled and my co-pays went up too. Until this place sells, we are one major medical procedure away from bankruptcy.

    With that kind of protection, I'd rather go unprotected.
     
  2. RoyC

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    Found this little piece of info also. It is lengthy but worth looking at.


    ON JANUARY 1, 2013, THE US GOVERNMENT WILL BE REQUIRING EVERYONE TO HAVE DIRECT DEPOSIT FOR SS CHECKS.

    WONDER WHY?

    Subject: HR 4646

    Be sure to read entire explanation

    Watch for this AFTER the November elections; remember this BEFORE you VOTE, in case you think Obama is looking out for your best interest.

    A 1% tax on all bank transactions is what HR 4646 calls for.

    Do you receive a paycheck, or a retirement check from Social Security or a pension fund and have it direct deposit??

    Well guess what ... It looks as if Obama wants to tax it 1% !!!

    This bill was put forth by Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA).

    YES, that is 1% tax on all bank transactions - HR 4646, every time it goes in and every time money goes out.

    Ask your congressperson to vote NO.

    1% tax on all bank transactions ~ HR 4646 - ANOTHER NEW OBAMA TAX SLIPPED IN WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP. Checked this on snopes, it's true! Check it out yourself ~ HR 4646.

    President Obama's finance team is recommending a one percent (1%) transaction fee (TAX). Obama's plan is to sneak it in after the November elections to keep it under the radar.

    This is a 1% tax on all transactions at any financial institution - banks, credit unions, savings and loans, etc. Any deposit you make, or even a transfer within your own bank from one account to another, will have a 1% tax charged.

    If your paycheck or your Social Security or whatever is direct deposit, it will get a 1% tax charged for the transaction.

    If your paycheck is $1000, then you will pay Obama $10 just for the privilege of depositing your paycheck in your bank. Even if you hand carry your paycheck or any check in to your bank for a deposit, 1% tax will be charged.

    You receive a $5,000 stock dividend from your broker, Obama takes $50 just to allow you to deposit that check in the bank.

    If you take $1,000 cash to deposit at your bank, 1% tax will be charged.

    Mind you, this is from the man who promised that, if you make under $250,000 per year, you will not see one penny of new tax.

    Keep your eyes and ears open, you will be amazed at what you learn about this guy's under-the-table moves to increase the number of ways you are taxed.

    Oh, and by the way, if you receive a refund from the IRS next year and you have it direct deposited or you walk in to deposit that check, you guessed it. You will pay a 1% charge of that money just for putting it in your bank.

    Remember, any money, cash, check or whatever, no matter where it came from, you will pay a 1% fee if you put it in the bank.

    Some will say, oh well, it's just 1%. Are you kidding me? It's a 1% tax increase across the board. Remember, once the tax is there, they can also raise it at will. And if anyone protests, they will just say, "Oh,that's not really a tax, it's a user fee"!

    Think this is no big deal? Go back and look at the transactions you made from last year's banking statements. Then add the total of all those transactions and deduct 1%. Still think it's no big deal?


    The following is copied from Snopes:
    1.�snopes.com: Debt Free America Act���
    Is the U.S.government proposing a 1% tax on debit card usage and/or banking transactions?
    ...It is true. The bill is HR-4646 introduced by US Rep Peter deFazio D-Oregon and US Senator Tom Harkin D-Iowa. Their plan is to sneak it in after the...
    ...moved beyond proposing studies and submitted the Debt Free America Act (H.R. 4646), a bill calling for the implementation of a scheme to pay down the...
    ...[2010] by Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-Pa.). His "Debt Free America Act" (H.R. 4646) would impose a 1 percent "transaction tax" on every financial transaction...
    Wed, 02 Nov 201111:27:37
     
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    Who is going to protect us from him? With friends like that, you don't need enemies. Get out and vote in November. We can't afford 4 more years of this BS. Comrade Obama must go.
     
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    Might want to check that, Snopes says its wrong and the congressional bill HR4646 is a bill "To suspend temporarily the duty on certain grill brushes."
     
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    I am in the Romney 53% so piss on the rest;)
     
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    I knew you would come around
     
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    HR 4646 is a non-issue. Rep. Fattah has submitted similar bills on numerous occasions and has never received support from any other legislators.
     
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    here is a link to the hr4646 bill http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr4646ih/pdf/BILLS-111hr4646ih.pdf

    As far as the obamacare goes we are all screwed. After it goes into effect you will be told by doctors to google your symptoms and put on a waiting list for surgeries needed, just like canada. Not only that in the plan it calls for a salary cap on all doctors, and in that cap it is so low doctors won't be able to pay for school loans, let alone any of there personal bills. So then you have no good doctors left just the sub par if that.Ask your personal doctors on there thoughts about it.

    As far as romney goes I personally think he is obamas twin. His strings are being pulled by the same ones pulling obamas strings. These 2 guys have more ties to wall street and the world banks then any other president in the history of our country.
     
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    Why are you having to pay for prescriptions? That's about the only reason I go to VA is because all my meds are free. No way would the VA give me the Cardio guys and operations I've had through private insurance.... but at least I get my meds free. Maybe it's because I have service connected disabilities... I don't know. But anyway, I love the free meds. When my cardio guy changes something like they did with the pacemaker etc... I have to wait until I see a VA doctor to get it put on the list of meds. Copays forr a couple prescriptions will easily be $20-40. I say it's the only reason I go to VA... however, the VA doctor was the one who found my problem and got them started on the right tract to get me better.
     
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    A cap on doctor pay, he wants to drive
    them down the the 47% of free loaders.

    What is the cap?
     
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    I'll add, you can look at polls all day long, and they switch so much...in the end they mean very little since the % swing usually never correlates to the % difference in final electoral votes that, in the end, are all that really matter.

    Want my opinion?


    Obama will serve another 4 years.


    Do I like it? No.
     
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    I fear the same. Although I could substitute "Romney" for "Obama" and get the same answer. Its sucks, really.

    Everyday that goes by I think Romney is lessening his chances of winning. Picking Ryan made it worse.

    I can't wait until a third party is a realistic option. Hopefully my great, great, great, grandchildren will be the lucky ones to experience that for the first time.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    How is this any different then any other occupation? Many occupations are food stamping it after college as they cannot afford to pay for college. Less funding to education means higher tuition cost taken on by the individual. I know plenty of doctors and none are having problems paying back their school debt. Its being done to try to protect how insane everything is in the medical field. The fact that if you go tot eh doctor and take 1 advil you get charged 10 bucks compared to 200 for 2 bucks at wall greens shows you how bad prices have to be inflated in a hospital setting to make all items make sense.

    What do cot is going to say I want a cap on my wages. Ask your garbage man his thoughts on his wages being froze? Better yet ask teachers, its been happening to them for years now. They are also group that falls into the category of people unable to pay back their suction bills.

    As for googling your symptoms and finding remedies this way, a good share of the time I feel like this is much more effective then going in. You go in and you are charged $500 to see someone who tells your hat you already know and prescribes you the same thing you've already got at home in the medicine cabinet. Basic ailments I feel can be left to you and me. Too many people go in for nothing and it drives prices up. Its the big problems medically that I am worried about needing quality doctors for. Bottom line I don't foresee a shortage in quality doctors or a desire for people to become doctors.
     
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    Help me out, I did not see where Obama care is putting a cap on doctors pay. I read no where that stated a cap salary for doctors will be x. So please help me out. I am 100% against this type of policy.
     
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    Healthcare.... How about telling the hospitals and doctors offices not to charge $500 to see a doc for 10 mins. Or. Why does it cost well over a grand in my home town to get transported by ambulance 8 blocks to the hospital when all you get is some oxygen and my fellow emt's trying to keep you stable and calm. We are a volunteer department btw.
     

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