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Obama killing more jobs. This decision directly affects me.

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by BJE80, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. BJE80

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    No, I won't lose my job by this. But I was slated to work on the design of this pipeline quite a bit.

    So yeah, maybe I am a little biased but how are we supposed to be creating any jobs when this administration seems to want to stop anyone who actually wants to build something and create jobs?

    Instead let's be forced to buy more oil from overseas.

    I'll tell you something else Barry; you want stimulus? this is the stuff you need to approve.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/10/news/economy/keystone_pipeline/index.htm



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    Looks like the Nebraka State Dept wants to take the time to look at alternative routes due to environmental concerns...is that really so stupid given that size of the project? I'm sure they want to do this thing right.
     
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    Obama hates Americans.
     
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    Yes, because the route has been selected since at least 2006 and the State Dept knew all along what was being proposed and provided no concerns at that time. Only because of environmental activism pressure does the Obama administration the state department pull the rug out. Given that no matter what route you select and no matter what you are trying to build the environmental people are going to protest it. It’s what they do.

    So I guess the question is do we want jobs, critical infrastructure, tax revenue and less oil from overseas?

    If people would just look at the safety records of pipelines built within the last 10-15 years they would have little to no argument about safety and environmental concerns. Especially, TransCanada's safety record which is top notch.

    This is all about politics. Obama tried to take the high ground between the unions and the environmental activists and delay the decision till 2013 after the election.
     
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    But if we find enough oil here, then how are we supposed to start new wars?
     
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    Well, they just created more jobs for people like me, so...
     
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    Great...more hippies.
     
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    I guess this expands on my point Hook. I am in no way saying it’s okay to damage the environment or just build anything you want anywhere.
    It's fine to study something up front and create a good plan. But we've become a country that literally ties our own hands with over analyzing everything and blocking productive things. We need to do less "studies" and more getting our hands dirty and actually building something.

    My co-workers and I joke about this all the time. The Hoover Dam could not have been built today. Even with all of the advanced technology, practices and equipment. It simply could not have overcome all the obstacles we have in place in today’s age.
     
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    Trust me, I agree
     
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    Should the hover dam be built today knowing what we know today? I do not know the answer.
     
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    He just wants to turn it into another socialistic european country.
     
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    Agreed.
    I think we need to except not pleasing everyone else in the world. I think we need to get back to being unapologetically God fearing, country loving, gun toting, apple pie eating Americans and if you don't like it, take off. Don't except our money, don't buy our products or manufacture them and don't expect us to come to your rescue every time your in need. Let's be like the EU countries and just take care of ourselves.
     
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    No worries on the oil. Brazil is going to start drilling and Obama said we would be their biggest customer. We'll have plenty of oil to pay for.
     
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    Say what you will about Donald Trump, but he makes this point and it's a damn good one. There's so much red tape companies cannot build.
    Ford just announced the building of a factory in India. why not the Us? Red tape.
     
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    Where are they selling those cars? Are they importing them to the US?
     
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    This may have something to do with it:
    http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2010/05/art1full.pdf
     
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    unions
     
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    No, mainly because the government of this country has made it easier for companies to import products into the US with little or no taxes, therefore companies can capitalize on cheap labor, and make a few extra pennies on the dollar, or a few extra millions on the billion..... Add to that the taxes that an employer has to pay on employees, the building, etc, it makes perfect sense if you're a "dollars and cents" guy rather than a patriot, or if you're trying to compete with the other companies who are doing much of the same.

    But I'll agree, UNIONS are a small part of it too. When an assembler with nothing more than OJT is making more than a school teacher or a nurse, then there is a disparity in the "value of the worker." Not saying that an auto assembler deserves "peanuts," but $30-something dollars an hour is a lot of dough to do a job that you could be paying less than a dollar for in foreign country.
     
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    Yes damn those people wanting to make a decent wage, I wonder what it cost for a person with your skill set in India hook? I know for me it's about half, be careful guys your jobs could be next for out-sourcing
     

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