I find it odd that one of the biggest complaints about the NRA is that they send too much junk mail....Come on people, really?? It is pretty evident that them sending out mail requesting donations IS profitable, because they still exist and they arent broke. Now to the OP, I believe the NRA does what they have to do to maintain our rights as gun owners. In this day & age you can NEVER let down your guard. Attacks come from all angles that slowly attempt to erode the ability for law abiding citizens to own guns.
Agreed on the money aspect. But, by the same token, I look at operating/administrative costs vs revenue. Many of these large organizations need to trim a bit of "fat" to run leaner.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-gun-regulation-border-states-met-bipartisan/ There ya go... So, if this passes, then long gun sales will have to be reported.
I had been a member of NRA FOREVER. Then a couple years ago they sent me some crap. They told me it was coming. If I didn't want it mail it back. I sent them a note on their announcement and said, "Don't sent it... Period" I don't want it, I'm not paying to send it back. Don't send it. You got to realize I sent these people a lot of money over the years. Usually sent them a minimum of $100 a whack to the NRA ILA. So it's not about the money. Well, the next thing you know I was getting billed for this home defense video. I sent them a nice letter. No response. I got a past due notice. I sent them a letter... courtesy copies to La Pierre and everyone else. No response. I started getting letters from a collection agency. I sent a copy of all previous correspondence and a new letter. No response except calls threatening to ruin my credit and all that from a collection agency. The ***** is, I had renewed and bought a membership for a friend. I finally had had enough... I sent a nasty letter. NO RESPONSE. I no longer send a few hundred dollars a year to the NRA. I have let my membership go. I told my friend to do the same. This was a 2 or 3 year letter writing campaign with NO RESPONSE. If I could use the F word here I'd say the F Word NRA. There are other organizations that appreciate my money. In the last letter I even told them... answer my questions and I'll renew and start supporting again. NO RESPONSE. I think they must have hooked up with some shiester outfit and didn't realize the outfit was a sleeze with all these threat tactics and all that. Rather than tell me that, or answer my questions.... they felt it was OK to loose a member and a few hundred dollars a year. I had left them some a few thousand in my will. That's been changed.
FLA....what you call "jackassery" on my end......I see as a legitimate question. Vice-versa on your points. I see them (in relation to the 2nd amendment) as so minor, it's crazy. But, if I do that, many hardcore NRA'ers will give me the old "You're either 100% with us....or you're against us". Absolute horse ****. The items you mention are (IMO) picking nits (i.e. taking ANY resistance to the extreme).
Don't you get it? There is nothing minor in any of this, what's a "minor" infringement of the 1st Amendment or 2nd Amendment? A slow erosion is how crap like this happens. Minor adds up - look at what you have to do to go on a plane now, that aint minor any longer. But it was slowly ramped up. If you thinks its minor, great - go about your way, I'll go mine I don't think its minor when you add up all the other freedoms we lost already. When I was a kid, we had guns around us ALL the time and a lot less crime then we have now. Now if my son draws a gun at school, he gets sent to the principal...minor huh? So a congresswomen gets shot - and immediately what does the gun control left want? More gun control. The facts about the guns going to Mexico - bull****, the actual amounts of traced weapons coming from the US are less then the ATF is reporting. If you want to go the way of Britain or Australia - go for it. I don't.
I'm not against the 2nd amendment. Stop speaking to me as if I am. That's my problem with the NRA crowd. You'll have to show me where it says in the 2nd amendment that no aspect of guns are to be legislated/regulated. I must've skipped over that clause. Where did you go to school? Deadwood?
It really has nothing to do with the junk mailper se, but the waste of good money. I can throw junk mail straight into the recycle but, if all they are going to do with the money I send them is send it back to me in the form of junk mail then I will give my money to someone that has the same mission but more respect for my dollars.
Yeah, the NRA is pretty messed up. I happen to think they capitulate way, way too much. My money is better spent supporting GoA. The NRA does some good, sure. They just don't toe the line like they should. One would think that the plain language "shall not be infringed" is self explanatory. ANYTHING other than allowing me to buy and keep what I want, including requiring me to hold a license to carry, is an infringement. The plain language is there for a reason, folks. It was supposed to help prevent any question of the founders intent.
Another reason is I got the same thing, an unsolicited video, and the same pain in the ass scenario about returning it. I joined the nra to help fight assaults on our rights and somehow ended up in a video club. Crappy video at that. No thanks.
Just got this from Ammoman.com a place I get some stuff from now and again... "We will not be shipping ammo to California after the 21st of this month. Any order in by that date will be shipped. We will be waiting to hear what calibers are able to be shipped prior to shipping any ammo, after January 21. We hope to have this issue cleared up very soon. Thanks to all our customers in CA. and yes, we can ship to alternate states, after the 21st. of January. In spite of the recent demand, we still have a decent supply of the Winchester 9mm and 40 s/w ammo."
I'm not a member of the NRA and have no plans on being one. I can't stand the phone calls and **** that comes In the mail. Any club/organization that does this I have little time for, not just the NRA.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/13/state-cracks-down-handgun-ammo-sales/ yep, nothing to see here, move along....keep your head in the sand so, the popular thought is, that if they make it too hard to get - folks won't
Is there something wrong with this? Why is ANY limitation perceived as the sky falling? I'm not making light of this latest attempt. I'm asking for a clarification. The 1st amendment is limited from time to time. In some cases, I'm all for them (said limitations). In many cases, I'm not.
Yes, there's everything wrong with it. Why does the gov't need to know what I purchased if it's a legal item to buy? There's also talk about not being able to buy equipment to load your own ammunition which is a bunk of crap as well. I'm getting into IDPA competitions this summer and I'll be shooting a lot of rounds for practice as well as in competition. That would trigger red flags on straight purchases given teh number of rounds and by reloading myself I can do it for about 60% of the cost of store purchased ammunition. Let me ask you this: The gov't requires certain OTC medicines containing ephedrine (Sudafed, etc) to be purchased at the counter and you can only purchase so much within 30 days. The intent was to cut down and possibly eliminate the number of meth labs sprouting up all over. Has it? The only ones these kinds of laws affect are law abiding citizens.
I don't know. Do you? And, really....what's this got to do with the subject matter. The Gov't has also limited what we can take on airplanes. Has that cut down on planes being flown into bldgs? Neither of these examples have any bearing on this discussion.
From those whom I know that are LEO's, it's not reduced the number of calls they get for meth labs and the number of people on meth is continuing to increase significantly. I disagree. It have everything to do with the subject matter. The point is that Gov't will sell things as "In our best interest" and "for our own good" and "for our protection" and whatever else they can think of to get people to buy into it. Look at the Patriot Act. It was sold to us as a means of catching terrorists. Yet, it was the single biggest invasion of our personal liberties and rights up until that time. Let's put this into context of the board... Let's say, for example, that you're no longer allowed to buy bows of greater than 40# draw, and you can only buy broadheads for two weeks before the beginning of the season and must be destroyed at the end of the season. The bows can only have wheels if a compound, and if a recurve or long bow, can not have the capability of being taken down. You also can not transport a bow unless it's in a locked case, in your trunk and arrows must be stored separately. You also cannot shoot greater than 85gr tips. Those whom don't mind certain laws because they don't affect them now, will find themselves greatly affected in the future when they cry out "This is preposterous! The gov't has overstepped their bounds on this..." I'm not a "You're either for us, or against us" kind of person as you've described. I'm simply a very concerned citizen of this Republic that's had it with the gov't and it's continued trampling of our rights. The more people know, the more they see and begin to understand, they will wake up and realize what the Gov't (Fed, State, municipality) is doing to us.
You don't think the NRA does this? I don't wanna argue with you (or anyone). I appreciate your input.
The National Shooting Sports Foundation is a way better organization and are more in line with my views IMO. I was a member of the NRA from a long time, I am now a member of NSSF. I don't own many guns, I just like to support groups who use a bit of commen sense. When I worked for Cabelas we had a kids laser shooting range. It had little targets to shoot at and the frying pan made a ding sound. The old dude in the carpper showed his undies. Silly kid stuff for the kids. There were manicans of old lady and man in the porach. A "high ranking" offcial from the NRA came in and chewed me out for the "people" on the porach. I handed the SOB my card, and have never sent them a dime. Right now we need to regulate ourselves and use a bit of common sense.
